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The decadent West’s attention span for anything that isn’t fun is two years max, and that’s generous. Bad guys everywhere know all they have to do is hang around and we will get distracted by something pretty and just wander off

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Politically, what this means is that the Liberals can no longer use the photo/video of the lone Swastika flag at the convoy protests in their campaigns against the Conservatives - without the Tories pushing back with this fiasco.

And you bet the Conservatives will still definitely use this (lot more legitimate) debacle at the Parliament in their campaign against the Liberals.

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I'm getting very tired of politicians apologizing and 'taking full responsibility' and then nothing further happening. Owning up to your mistakes is all well and good but unless your actions carry actual consequences, how is an apology actually meaningful?

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This smacks of what happens when Poseur Culture replaces good government. Rota was too excited about the prospect of the photo op and almost-guaranteed social praise to follow that he forgot to do his job. The fact it wasn’t vetted beforehand is evidence how unserious a country Canada has become.

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"The incomprehensible decision by Canada to honour a former Nazi, in our Parliament, in front of Zelenskyy, must have the Russians rolling on the floors laughing in their embassy down on Charlotte Street in Ottawa. You couldn’t devise a more perfect exercise in affirming the Kremlin position that Ukraine is a Nazi state, and thus deserves whatever genocide they have coming." - What a disingenuous line. Seriously. Zelensky is Ukrainian. He 100% knows the history of his country and their military history - and they revere some of these people as war heroes. The only thing not surprising in this debacle is how little the MPs know or care about the fine line between this: One country's war hero is another country's war criminal. Just because we don't think Nazi adjacent people are war heroes doesn't think their fellow countrymen agree. Typical of NATO states.... you all want an easy bad guy and don't know how to act when our "good guys" are actually shades of gray.

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How does something like this happen? That seems egregious and far beyond an oops. Someone actually looked at the guys history and decided it was worth honouring? Since when do we respect nazis?

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I find it incomprehensible that there is not a procedure to check on people that are going to be honoured by Parliament. Most MPs probably didn’t know the guy from Adam, but he was presented by the Speaker as a ‘war hero’ so everyone stood and applauded. Another major gaff by this incompetent gang.

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Where are the resignations, the firings? If Canada cannot hold anyone to account for this with removal from their job, we will never have accountability for egregious errors. Never.

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The Waffen SS had foreign divisions formed by volunteers from Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Norway, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania and Ukraine. All these men were united not by their love of fascism but in their hatred of communism.

Does not dismiss the turd that Speaker Rota dropped in the Commons, just displays how amateurishly silly our federal government is.

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Sep 25, 2023·edited Sep 25, 2023

From a messaging standpoint, this is a friendly fire incident. One of the Russian lines of propaganda against the Ukrainian government has been to allege that they're Nazis. A standing ovation for a former Waffen SS soldier at an official event meant to hail Zelenskyy plays right into that Russian propaganda. Honestly, that propaganda isn't going to persuade anybody who hasn't already bought the Russian line, but it's still a head-slappingly stupid mistake.

The real Ukrainian history is more complicated, of course. I don't know anything about the story of this particular soldier, but many Ukrainians fought for the Germans because they saw the Nazis as a better alternative to the Soviets. That's a historical fact that the Russians don't care to dwell on much in their nostalgic reverie for the glories of the Stalinist past. It speaks to the enduring horrors of Russian conquest and occupation, and provides context on why Ukraine resists the Russian invasion. It's an important part of the whole story, but I think any political consultant would tell you that nuance tends to get lost anytime you mention Nazis.

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What does it mean to take full responsibility for his actions? Rota is still on the job! How can someone who made such a harmful (to Ukraine) mistake continue as Speaker of the House? How can any party have confidence in his decisions? I wouldn’t.

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It is worth mentioning, that Ukraine's contribution to the defeat of nazism is far greater than any other ethnicity in USSR except russians. About 800K perished as members of Red Army only. Not counting the partisans.

And I don't believe anyone could invite a veteran of Waffen-SS (even if it was deemed not responsible for nazi crimes as a group) in error. It was done on purpose. Would be interesting to know why. Simple bribe by russians would be too simple, wouldn't it?

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Yes, obviously he should resign , but the damage is done. (he, along with everyone else who had anything to do with this decision, should be loaded into a cannon and fired into the sun, but that's not an option).

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Correction: her name is Olena Zelenska, not Zelensk.

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Great government we have eh ! They are not happy to just screw us over, they export their particular brand of goodness

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“.. and Ukrainians would eventually get tired of dying.”

Not exactly the luxury of a choice when one is facing genocide.

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