I'm waiting for Carney to make some comment on his candidate wishing that CPC candidates be kidnapped and turned over to the Chinese government for a reward - WTFudge??? Where are you Carney??
As to the polls they are all questionable and not just because they are polls. The finger is firmly on the scales for at least two pollsters as they lean into Carney. Will it prove out? Hoping not - we cannot afford another four years of LPC spending and corruption.
Yes the candidates need to address the Trump factor. However, after 10 years of Liberal rule, there are plenty of domestic concerns that should be debated vigorously. We are getting mere snippets from these candidates and way too much focus on the menace in the White House. I want to hear how candidates plan to put Canada's house in order. We keep stating we are a sovereign nation. Let's hear explicitly what each candidate's domestic priorities are without allowing DT's daily antics to allow them to be vague and hide behind the chaos.
You are correct Mary, but apparently there is only one issue on the minds of most of the main stream media so ... we get what we get. Thank goodness for podcasters and independent media!
Ironically, after the boomers all die off the Liberals will become way less competitive even if we gravitate to a two-party system.
Over-55's on the weak side of the IQ curve are their biggest voting bloc right now. Nothing like basking in cozy 80s/90s Canadian nostalgia while voting for the party that has most drastically changed and worsened the country from that time.
I'm not in position to know to what extent weak I.Q. is a factor. What I know is that our judgment can't be more reliable than the sources that inform it. Information siloing is an impediment to the accurate assessment of our circumstances (an essential precondition for rational decision-making in our own best interest), whatever one's I.Q. A steady diet of the Toronto Star, for example, would not provide you with any insight into the shortcomings of the Liberal Party.
The media situation is a disaster but the last 10 years of reality should have been all the information anyone needed. We came so close to having a real election, on real issues, where the public looked like their eyes were finally opened by personal experience. Those taken in by this Liberal re-branding effort have absolutely failed a test of their intelligence.
We don't have sufficient knowledge to make that a logical inference. There are plenty of perfectly intelligent people whose opinions are formed by The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBC, The Toronto Star, The Guardian, etc. That's a formidable phalanx of propaganda outlets, and its combined output is effective. What really fails the test is the health of the information commons--even Wikipedia has become ideologically captured. People shouldn't have to traverse a minefield to get a clear view of the world they live in, yet that's the sad reality.
Governments at the provincial level have been aware of the demographic wave that has been hitting our health care system for the past several years. Aside from the I dreaded demands of my generation as we age out the system has been in trouble for a long time. The residency system is broken, they’re are not enough medical schools or places in them with the highest demand specialties. What’s worse having used the system very lightly over my entire hard working tax paying life I can’t access a specialist I need in under 6 months at best.
I mean, I hate to tell you, that's just a cold, dispassionate assessment of the facts on the ground. We have chronically under-invested in the healthcare system to the point where it can barely meet the needs of Canadians and has a very real chance of breaking the largely held consensus on Canada's single payer healthcare scheme. The increased demands on it in the next decade as boomers require higher levels of care will only make matters worse, and though that will eventually abate as the boomers die off, there's likely very little we can do to keep the whole thing from coming off the rails.
Ah, yes... the long and honourable history of collective guilt. One happens to find oneself the wrong religion, race, tribe, ethnicity, nationality, or generation. Should have known better! The penalty is death.
Not at all. No one said YOU personally were responsible. We said the boomers collectively caused our current problems.
BECAUSE they did. Not you individually. The group.
It’s like saying that the greatest generation “won WW2”. Others were involved and some sat out the whole thing, but it would be odd to object to that statement because it’s true.
Similarly, it’s just true that the boomers caused our current problems.
The disarray in the Conservative backfield is the product of too many vocal QBs, many with ulterior motives that have yet to be revealed. The Ford Conservative operatives are particularly keen to pretend that their brilliance in managing the Ford v. Trump makes them experts in this national campaign. Fine. Except that strategy took the heat off all the serious issues that Ontarians are facing but got zero attention. Who’s doing that trick now? The Liberals.
I think the polling numbers still have some fluidity in them. All of a sudden the Bloc and NDP vote has moved to the Big Red Machine. Is that baked in? Will Carney prove to Quebecers that he really is as bad at conversational French as his billing? And will Blanchet capitalize on that?
The Line Panel made mention of the huge crowds attending Conservative rallies, pulling in demographics from all segments of society. Young people are especially noted attendees. Are pollsters reaching those young voters? The old buzzards who are committed Liberal voters are easily found by pollsters but there may be some surprises going forward to watch for.
Ford CPC arrogance is ridiculous. Ford isn't even loved I'm a conservative and hate how he has governed.
If Ford can think he take on Libs at a Federal level he is sadly mistaken.
Re: Huge crowds. 5k people is kind of impressive but ridings need way more. If he was doing like 20k, now we are talking. CPC "collapse" is more a NDP destruction IMO. Just checked Jagmeet's twitter and hasn't even tweeted at all on Saturday. Rando pundits get more interaction than him.
Conspiracy theory I wonder if the LPC's will give him a cushy Ambassador job to say Belize as a Thank you.
The debates will impact the election. In French, I can't see Carney doing well against Singh, Blanchet, and Poilievre. I expect the Bloc and CPC to do better in Quebec than the current polls suggest. The recent Liberal Party Leadership race showed very low voter turnout in ridings in Quebec, which is surprising.
Whenever you state the name of the person speaking, please include their 'affiliation'. I don't know these people and don't want to scroll all the way back up to see who they are associated with Everytime I see their name.
As a Boomer, I find this offensive: “Boomers aren’t going to die fast enough to save us, more’s the pity.” Jamie Carroll, self-described “Liberal hack” and political strategist, is not doing Team Red with that crap! And I’m disappointed you published it.
The real question in the next election is not who is best to deal with Trump. It is, who is best suited to bring change to Canada. If you believe changing the PM and leaving 3/4 of Liberal Cabinet is best to effect change, then vote Liberal. (Of course what is that change? Do they revoke Bill 69 and 48?). Otherwise vote for the detailed agenda being laid out by the conservatives. Governing is about policies. Small and large. Voting based on a persona is a mutts game. Simply look at the last 10 years.
We are apparently being told to vote on the one issue where I seriously don't think it matters who wins.
The "trade war" is likely going to implode in weeks or months due to financial and political issues in the US and we will get a negotiated settlement, though probably not one we will like. Our bargaining position is so poor that it doesn't matter which party represents us on our side of the table.
The Liberal animus toward Trump is so shapeless that it doesn't seem there is a coherent idea of what the "elbows up" people want to see happen. Anger Trump as much as possible? Get the best outcome even if it means giving in or sucking up to him? A four year maximally damaging trade war unless we go back to status quo pre-November? Vaguely standing proud with the maple leaf fluttering behind us and the wind blowing through our empty heads? It's anti-intellectual and vibes-based as much as anything. I'm not sure if these voters realize that this kind of makes THEM the angry frothing MAGA-hats of this election...
“Boomers aren’t going to die fast enough, mores the pity.” Wow, Jamie, why so rude and viciously mean spirited? We’re not dead till we’re dead in case you hadn’t noticed. Maybe you don’t have any older people you love. Regardless you can learn a lot from the benefit of our lived experience.
Can't wait for someone to ask Carroll how he squares the sudden conversion of the LPC to Conservative policies after 9 yrs of supporting exactly the opposite.
I love the panelists, even when I think they are wrong on a point. I love the straight shooting. And I am OK with the street-talk. If you do not like it, cover your eyes and ears.
I’m not a fan of gratuitous vulgarity in conversation. It suggests a lack of discipline and a lazy intellect. Here’s hoping that the panellists show us all a little respect and try to exercise their vocabularies.
Otherwise I will indeed cover my eyes and ears - by not listening to them at all. It does The Line a disservice.
Interesting thoughts from you folks.
I'm waiting for Carney to make some comment on his candidate wishing that CPC candidates be kidnapped and turned over to the Chinese government for a reward - WTFudge??? Where are you Carney??
As to the polls they are all questionable and not just because they are polls. The finger is firmly on the scales for at least two pollsters as they lean into Carney. Will it prove out? Hoping not - we cannot afford another four years of LPC spending and corruption.
Yes the candidates need to address the Trump factor. However, after 10 years of Liberal rule, there are plenty of domestic concerns that should be debated vigorously. We are getting mere snippets from these candidates and way too much focus on the menace in the White House. I want to hear how candidates plan to put Canada's house in order. We keep stating we are a sovereign nation. Let's hear explicitly what each candidate's domestic priorities are without allowing DT's daily antics to allow them to be vague and hide behind the chaos.
You are correct Mary, but apparently there is only one issue on the minds of most of the main stream media so ... we get what we get. Thank goodness for podcasters and independent media!
"Boomers aren’t going to die fast enough to save us, more’s the pity."
There's Liberal empathy for you. And there goes my tolerance of Liberal hypocrisy.
Good. Mine went years ago. Come to think of it, I never had much tolerance of hypocrisy in any political party.
Ironically, after the boomers all die off the Liberals will become way less competitive even if we gravitate to a two-party system.
Over-55's on the weak side of the IQ curve are their biggest voting bloc right now. Nothing like basking in cozy 80s/90s Canadian nostalgia while voting for the party that has most drastically changed and worsened the country from that time.
I'm not in position to know to what extent weak I.Q. is a factor. What I know is that our judgment can't be more reliable than the sources that inform it. Information siloing is an impediment to the accurate assessment of our circumstances (an essential precondition for rational decision-making in our own best interest), whatever one's I.Q. A steady diet of the Toronto Star, for example, would not provide you with any insight into the shortcomings of the Liberal Party.
The media situation is a disaster but the last 10 years of reality should have been all the information anyone needed. We came so close to having a real election, on real issues, where the public looked like their eyes were finally opened by personal experience. Those taken in by this Liberal re-branding effort have absolutely failed a test of their intelligence.
We don't have sufficient knowledge to make that a logical inference. There are plenty of perfectly intelligent people whose opinions are formed by The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, CBC, The Toronto Star, The Guardian, etc. That's a formidable phalanx of propaganda outlets, and its combined output is effective. What really fails the test is the health of the information commons--even Wikipedia has become ideologically captured. People shouldn't have to traverse a minefield to get a clear view of the world they live in, yet that's the sad reality.
Governments at the provincial level have been aware of the demographic wave that has been hitting our health care system for the past several years. Aside from the I dreaded demands of my generation as we age out the system has been in trouble for a long time. The residency system is broken, they’re are not enough medical schools or places in them with the highest demand specialties. What’s worse having used the system very lightly over my entire hard working tax paying life I can’t access a specialist I need in under 6 months at best.
I mean, I hate to tell you, that's just a cold, dispassionate assessment of the facts on the ground. We have chronically under-invested in the healthcare system to the point where it can barely meet the needs of Canadians and has a very real chance of breaking the largely held consensus on Canada's single payer healthcare scheme. The increased demands on it in the next decade as boomers require higher levels of care will only make matters worse, and though that will eventually abate as the boomers die off, there's likely very little we can do to keep the whole thing from coming off the rails.
Our apologies for not dying off faster, so that these problems can be addressed more conveniently.
Ironic considering the Libs are riding a wave fueled by Boomers...
Not this one.
We’d be less annoyed if the baby boomers had not created the mess Canada is in right now.
Having lost one parent already, I don’t find it all that amusing though.
Ah, yes... the long and honourable history of collective guilt. One happens to find oneself the wrong religion, race, tribe, ethnicity, nationality, or generation. Should have known better! The penalty is death.
Not at all. No one said YOU personally were responsible. We said the boomers collectively caused our current problems.
BECAUSE they did. Not you individually. The group.
It’s like saying that the greatest generation “won WW2”. Others were involved and some sat out the whole thing, but it would be odd to object to that statement because it’s true.
Similarly, it’s just true that the boomers caused our current problems.
No one said you personally were responsible for being born Jewish, young lad. But collectively... get on the train!
I read that as a tongue in cheek acknowledgement of the actual demographics of the situation.
But the subtext clearly was, 'Too bad!'
The disarray in the Conservative backfield is the product of too many vocal QBs, many with ulterior motives that have yet to be revealed. The Ford Conservative operatives are particularly keen to pretend that their brilliance in managing the Ford v. Trump makes them experts in this national campaign. Fine. Except that strategy took the heat off all the serious issues that Ontarians are facing but got zero attention. Who’s doing that trick now? The Liberals.
I think the polling numbers still have some fluidity in them. All of a sudden the Bloc and NDP vote has moved to the Big Red Machine. Is that baked in? Will Carney prove to Quebecers that he really is as bad at conversational French as his billing? And will Blanchet capitalize on that?
The Line Panel made mention of the huge crowds attending Conservative rallies, pulling in demographics from all segments of society. Young people are especially noted attendees. Are pollsters reaching those young voters? The old buzzards who are committed Liberal voters are easily found by pollsters but there may be some surprises going forward to watch for.
Ford CPC arrogance is ridiculous. Ford isn't even loved I'm a conservative and hate how he has governed.
If Ford can think he take on Libs at a Federal level he is sadly mistaken.
Re: Huge crowds. 5k people is kind of impressive but ridings need way more. If he was doing like 20k, now we are talking. CPC "collapse" is more a NDP destruction IMO. Just checked Jagmeet's twitter and hasn't even tweeted at all on Saturday. Rando pundits get more interaction than him.
Conspiracy theory I wonder if the LPC's will give him a cushy Ambassador job to say Belize as a Thank you.
The debates will impact the election. In French, I can't see Carney doing well against Singh, Blanchet, and Poilievre. I expect the Bloc and CPC to do better in Quebec than the current polls suggest. The recent Liberal Party Leadership race showed very low voter turnout in ridings in Quebec, which is surprising.
Did one of the panelists say PP has no consistent message? Really?
One small suggestion for future Anti Panel posts:
Whenever you state the name of the person speaking, please include their 'affiliation'. I don't know these people and don't want to scroll all the way back up to see who they are associated with Everytime I see their name.
Came here to make this comment.
Made even more confusing by the referring to each other by first name all the time, but then writing the speaker by last name only.
As a Boomer, I find this offensive: “Boomers aren’t going to die fast enough to save us, more’s the pity.” Jamie Carroll, self-described “Liberal hack” and political strategist, is not doing Team Red with that crap! And I’m disappointed you published it.
The real question in the next election is not who is best to deal with Trump. It is, who is best suited to bring change to Canada. If you believe changing the PM and leaving 3/4 of Liberal Cabinet is best to effect change, then vote Liberal. (Of course what is that change? Do they revoke Bill 69 and 48?). Otherwise vote for the detailed agenda being laid out by the conservatives. Governing is about policies. Small and large. Voting based on a persona is a mutts game. Simply look at the last 10 years.
We are apparently being told to vote on the one issue where I seriously don't think it matters who wins.
The "trade war" is likely going to implode in weeks or months due to financial and political issues in the US and we will get a negotiated settlement, though probably not one we will like. Our bargaining position is so poor that it doesn't matter which party represents us on our side of the table.
The Liberal animus toward Trump is so shapeless that it doesn't seem there is a coherent idea of what the "elbows up" people want to see happen. Anger Trump as much as possible? Get the best outcome even if it means giving in or sucking up to him? A four year maximally damaging trade war unless we go back to status quo pre-November? Vaguely standing proud with the maple leaf fluttering behind us and the wind blowing through our empty heads? It's anti-intellectual and vibes-based as much as anything. I'm not sure if these voters realize that this kind of makes THEM the angry frothing MAGA-hats of this election...
“Boomers aren’t going to die fast enough, mores the pity.” Wow, Jamie, why so rude and viciously mean spirited? We’re not dead till we’re dead in case you hadn’t noticed. Maybe you don’t have any older people you love. Regardless you can learn a lot from the benefit of our lived experience.
That was a shitty aside. I had to call it out.
Think of how much easier to take the CPC would be if Chong replaced Poillievre. I might even go back to them.
Can't wait for someone to ask Carroll how he squares the sudden conversion of the LPC to Conservative policies after 9 yrs of supporting exactly the opposite.
I love the panelists, even when I think they are wrong on a point. I love the straight shooting. And I am OK with the street-talk. If you do not like it, cover your eyes and ears.
I’m not a fan of gratuitous vulgarity in conversation. It suggests a lack of discipline and a lazy intellect. Here’s hoping that the panellists show us all a little respect and try to exercise their vocabularies.
Otherwise I will indeed cover my eyes and ears - by not listening to them at all. It does The Line a disservice.
Well I fucking love it. Cheers!
You are a fun guy ….
Karma and Hubris? Where do we hire these people?
Love the anti panel format.
A vote for Jagmeet is a vote for Carney. We all know that now.
A vote for Jagmeet is a vote for Carney. We all know that now.