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Applied Epistemologist's avatar

When Carney doesn't release the information you are calling for, will you finally decide that it is time to stop simply assuming, without evidence, that he is being truthful and acting in the interests of Canadians as a nation?

"Without evidence" is of course generous, considering the Howe bridge case, and its clear evidence that Carney is willing to lie for political reasons. "Less than candid", forsooth.

Rob Rowat's avatar

Yet you assume, without evidence, that he is acting in his own self-interest.

Ron Drysdale's avatar

In the word of the great American philosopher Samuel P. Elliot, "Yup."

A Canuck's avatar

The Prime Minister probably should convene the House of Commons for an emergency debate about next steps. This would afford his government the opportunity to out Trump and his disingenuous sycophants for their games-playing.

As for Jamil Jivani, well, I'm at a loss for words when it comes to his treachery.

Pat T's avatar

Other's are reporting that Lutnick and Carney spoke by phone several times - pretty sure that could have been Carney's emotional trigger

PJ Alexander's avatar

Thank you. I'd missed this upsetting little gem of news in my offline weekend mode. Going public with the receipts is an interesting suggestion, if we have the courage for it.

John's avatar
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Donald Trump reflects the US position succinctly IMO. An expansion of the free ride that Canada has been getting in the defence area for generations. Low cost, comparatively few Canadian boys and girls dying in foreign lands. And Canada is making a sovereignty fuss with the US over French labeling which I suspect the vast majority of English speaking Canadians have no use for and would be pleased to see disappear. Carney sounded to me like Queen Gertrude in Hamlet given that the Liberal majority depends on 44 of the 78 Quebec seats and there are another 299 elected Members of the lower house). And making deals for spyware laden Chinese EVs which they expect the US to let into their country?

A Canuck's avatar

This has nothing to do with US indignation regarding past Canadian failures on the military strategy front. It probably has a lot more to do with Donald Trump's primitive desire to dominate, a la 20th Century dictators, and the beliefs of those who support him. You know, the simplistic MAGA crowd.

Oh, and it is likely informed, as well, by Trump's antediluvian understanding of economics and international trade.

WRT your theory about "the Liberals" and your apparent belief that ANY interaction with the PRC is treachery, well, keep on indulging your hobby horse. Ignoring the Chinese makes no sense. What's more, making them into a bigger threat than a powerful, hostile and treacherous neighbour is actually laughable.

Rob Rowat's avatar

I am mystified by Canadians who continue to think that Canada is responsible for Trump’s behaviour to us. Yes, we have been laggards on defence since at least the fall of the Berlin Wall. We took the “peace dividend” a little too earnestly. Years too late, but we have started to amend our ways.

Trump is a narcissistic psychopathic bully. All he cares about is dominance and subjugation. His first pretext for applying tariffs against Canada was “all” the fentanyl smuggled into the US from Canada. How much you might ask? Maybe less than 1% of the total entering the US. It would have been laughable from anyone else, but he is the President of the USA. He was looking for anything, however lame, on which to hang his bullying so that it looked defensible. What else has he latched onto? An ad quoting Ronald Reagan, wildfire smoke, Canadian retaliatory tariffs and not stocking American alcohol.

Canada has done itself no favours over the past couple or three decades, but make no mistake. We are not responsible for the idiotic and chaotic behaviour of Trump against Canada.

Jon Christianson's avatar

Boy, Wab is the biggest con man around. Go to " liquormarts.ca " . Which is the Manitoba Government owned liquor store. The banner headline reads; "Remaining stock of US liquor is available at all Manitoba Liquor Marts". There are 377 different items today. Yesterday it was 389 so we Manitoban's are buying it. An item is a type of which there can be 100's of it on the shelves.

George Skinner's avatar

What’s the con? All of that stuff was already bought and paid for by the Manitoba Liquor Board before all this happened. They’re not buying more; they’re just not leaving stock to collect dust in a warehouse.

Allan Stratton's avatar

I agree that Carney was enraged and was totally impressed at his self-control; the slight smile when a reporter mentioned Lutnick and his laugh about followup questions. It was great to hear a speech delivered directly and with none of the breathy, theatrical pauses we'd gotten used to with the last guy.

About Poilievre and Jivani: It must be quite the head-sweller for a rookie backbencher to be invited to the White House by his pal, the vice president (and possible future president) of the United States. Also, for his freelance diplomacy to be praised by that vice president who simultaneously dismissed his boss. Might Jivani fancy himself leading a Maple MAGA takeover of the party, and might the Vance think it would be handy to have a friend as governor of the vassal state to his north? Name recognition, a third of the base, foreign money, separatist/culture war organizers, a leadership contest which can be won with instant party members... It's not an outlandish dream.

You're right that Poilievre's power will only crumble further if Jivani remains free to thumb his nose at Poilievre's policies. But Poilievre has always winked at the Maple MAGA base and counted on its support. How does he credibly rein in Jivani? Why should Jivani fear him? If he were ousted from caucus, how many members would leave with him to sit an Independent Conservatives? And what would JD say?

Speak to Your Success's avatar

If you are looking for a credible analysis of the situation, check out Deeper Look by Michael D. Sellers on Substack. He is a former intelligence officer and writes his material like it is a situational report.

He outlines the red flags that would have turned Canada into (his term) a vassal state. Just two of them are the US telling us who we are allowed to trade with, and getting first dibs on all our critical minerals. When you finish reading, you will understand ...and probably join in... Carney's leashed rage

To read this incisive article, go to substack.com, find the search box on the upper right corner and put in the article title;

"What Really Blew Up the U.S.-Canada Trade Talks? A Deeper Look Analysis"

George Skinner's avatar

Trump sees the world like a mob boss: the Americas are his turf, and we’re supposed to do whatever he tells us to do and give him whatever he demands. In his mind, Xi and Putin are rival mob bosses with their own turf where they get to call the shots, and you show deference and courtesy to them.

That’s what Canada is dealing with. However, Trump is deeply unpopular in his own country, is likely to have his political power sharply crimped in the midterms, and is suffering legal setbacks that may well strip him of his latest attempt to use tariffs as weapons. Compounding all of this is his incompetence and stupidity: he’s stuck his country in a quagmire against a 3rd rate power and is poised to suffer a strategic defeat, he’s squandered American military strength in the process by wasting its munitions stockpile and overstretching the organization, his tariff and trade policies are hurting their economy, and his fiscal mismanagement is threatening an actual fiscal crisis as the bond market balks.

Trump’s a threat, but he’s also extremely vulnerable. Information war is the way to go, and Carney’s clearly on the right path by trying to rally other counties against Trump. There’s no need to give him any kind of win when he’s defeating himself, and compromising Canadian sovereignty to become part of a country that chose Trump twice and almost elected him a 3rd time is insane.

Tom Steadman's avatar

I, good Conservative, capitulate. I've long mourned the Canadian affection for whining and complaining, for always pooping on Americans, for the Liberal-induced and paltry state of our economy.

Not any more! I'm signing up for "Wartime Canada". Give me a leader--of any political stripe--with determination and a plan...and I'll work for free. Give me a company bashed by tariffs and I'll use whatever business skills I have that will help stay afloat.

But for God's sake, if there's anyone out therewith a way forward, now's the time. I'd like to see The Line take on the challlenge of locating that "anyone".