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I am Gen-X. I didn't agree 100% with the initial article, but I disagree even more with this one.

GenX is the product of a school system that was already moving away from academics. Many of us were taught simplistic frames and structures about politics that involved labeling a line and placing parties on the line and noting how proximate different parties were to the extremes. Fellow gen-x'ers may remember how close the NDP used to land towards the left extremes - I won't comment on whether the NDP still does fall close to the left extreme on an internal level and have just made their message more palatable or not. But my point is - GenX was told "vote", "this is what a democracy is", and then set free on our merry way. Yes there were some small debate clubs - but actually engaging with political ideas, and developing our own personal beliefs around politics, was not something that was taught.

What were the movements of the GenX youth? What types of activism did we engage in? I legitimately don't remember - I do remember bomb threats in my schools. (Yes, plural!) I remember DARE presentations. I remember MADD presentations. I remember much of the academics - but the social studies side? Not so much. Even now, it doesn't really teach kids how to be citizens, how to organize movements, how to recognize individualism versus collectivism and how to try to bring balance to the conversation.

This is ultimately the larger challenge - pure collectivism is a net negative whether someone is oriented left wing or right wing. Sacrificing individuals, because it benefits the majority is disrespectful and harmful to the individual - and at the end of the day we are all individuals and none of us are better than another nor are some more worthy of saving than others. Proponents of collectivism always have a reason why this time it will be different - and I'm not saying that we should ignore collectivism completely and never engage in it. I do support social programs that helps people get back on their feet and re-enter society and have roofs over their heads and food to eat... BUT I don't support sacrificing one person to save another person.

A healthy society is able to balance the rights of the individual with the needs of the community. I would argue that the larger problem we have now, is that we don't know how to have these conversations (I agree with the author on this aspect,) AND that we are having false discussions that are limited to surface ideas of right vs. left and identity politics, rather than looking at the heart of it which is the balance between the extreme collectivism of pure communism/fascism/authoritanism/socialism and the rights of the individual. We can all exist as individuals AND care about our communities. This isn't an either/or proposition and I think this lack of understanding, is why we are where we are. Combined with a heaping helping of people not being very comfortable residing in their own personal discomfort and looking for quick-fixes. Sometimes our discomfort reflects something in our lives or world that needs to be changed and paying attention to that rather than running away from it would be beneficial.

I suppose the time was always going to come where much ink would be spilled about gen-X. As I see it, gen-X and probably all of the millennial generation, grew up overly dependent on "experts". Now, in middle age, we are realizing experts don't know everything and sometimes they're outright wrong in harmful ways. This is a tough proverbial pill to swallow and unfortunately, the reliance on experts means that many gen-X don't have the ability to evaluate the facts of a situation for themselves, so they look to populist leaders to tell them how it is. It's really just a transferring of power from one authority figure to another, but because there is a lack of self-reflection around this, most of them don't realize it. Some of this even applies to the situation with media - I watched the news every day until one day, a story that was being reported on was a situation I had firsthand knowledge in and I realized the news was not being truthful in it's reporting. Once I saw the news as just another program, I turned it off and cancelled cable. (I haven't regularly watched news in over a decade now!)

I guess my point is - the underlying factors with gen-X are very complicated, and I don't think they can be summed up simply when it comes to political beliefs. I started out a conservative voter, then changed to NDP, and now am back to conservative because I have fundamental disagreements in how the NDP wants to run the economy. Unlike many people, I do read multiple party's platforms each election - not just the short summary version, but the actual full PDF version. I vote based on those policies - not based on ads or polls or whatever is going on in the media. I'm really not loyal to one specific party. I've voted for 4 different parties in my years of voting, and won't say how I'll vote in future elections because it will depend on the policies that are being proposed.

I am concerned about what I view as a loss of truth in society because I understand that politicians are in some ways playing a part when they communicate with the public - they're delivering what they want us to know, not necessarily the full story. Likewise, the big media companies mostly have the same stories, with the same approved headlines and content. I will end my comments here as I realize it's probably longer than most will read anyways. But my main point is that we are where we are politically for reasons that are much more complicated, and some of this burden goes back to the school system (it remains an even larger issue now than it was when I was in school,) and to the general societal shift of trying to avoid emotionally uncomfortable conversations. When we lose our ability to challenge ideas in a respectful ways, then citizens lose the ability to engage meaningfully with our democracy and other institutions. Trust is lost. And this is where we are now. I don't know how to fix it because I know many of my peers aren't willing to self-reflect or change their views. I just know that there is a huge amount of complexity as to the "why" of where we are - and it's not going to be any better with the younger generation. Gen Y is actually more conservative in many ways than millennials and gen X. Not all of them - but those who come through the school system now and are more conservative leaning, are much more rigid in their beliefs because they've spent their school years finding ways to either hide their beliefs, or pushing back against beliefs they disagree with. It will be interesting to see what happens as time passes.

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"Rahim Mohamed sees a generational shift as Gen X lurches to the right to suit its contrarian nature. I see a mid-life crisis, with my generation embarrassing itself by incoherently protesting about personal affronts and resisting deep changes to a society it never wanted to call home. "

I disagree with both. First, I dislike the idea of treating generations like monoliths. But fine, if we must talk about statistical tendencies ...

I don't see anything embarrassing or incoherent, or about "personal affronts". Gen X was the first generation brought up where individual rights and freedoms were already baked in. From the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to U.S. Civil Rights Act, to the 60s movements, to even Canada's Charter. It was well settled empirically, morally, philosophically, and legally that you treat people as individuals based on their circumstances -- that they aren't defined by collecting people by common traits and calling it a group, the equivalent of applying a spreadsheet "roll-up" average to every "member" of the collection.

We Gen-Xers learned from the start the well-established evils that occur when you don't do that, from WWII atrocities, Orwell's 1984, tribal psychology (Realistic Conflict Theory), experimentation without consent, and so on. We grew up in the era of the Soviet Union collapse, and the horror stories of what happened/happens in socialist societies. Many GenXers in Canada grew up behind the Iron Curtain.

It is because we understood the reasons for all of these (small-L) liberal principles, and the evils that occur in other systems, that we very coherently see the harms that will, and do, occur when we violate those principles. We also tend to check the source material, and not the political and media stories regularly misrepresent the truth, whether due to agendas or incompetence.

If we must, let's take the Freedom Convoy. If you actually watch the live video streams of people in those protests, there are hundreds of live interviews and a very high proportion of random people are immigrants, particularly from socialist countries, and were very worried about seeing Canada adopting policies similar to those they ran away from.

When you check the media and politicians about their claims of what the science says, it doesn't match. The WHO and many medical organizations were against mandates. Health Canada's risk mitigation plan was based on individual choice in order to mitigate the unknown risks it cited. Approval was not based on safety, but on benefits (during the pandemic) outweighing the risk. Vaccine monographs, still being updated by the manufacturers and Health Canada, list many risks and many unknowns including it not being established if they affect fertility, passed through mother's milk to infants -- and can't rule out harm to the infants. They still say that updated in late 2022.

NACI's Oct 22, 2021, report directly said there was insufficient evidence to make conclusions about vaccine's ability to reduce spread / transmission.

People recognized that Trudeau abided by the WHO recommendations against mandates until Aug 2021 when he saw an opportunity to get a majority government by being divisive, and irrational hatred of unvaccinated people erupted. This "us vs them" divisive hatred was very much predicted and predictable per the post-WWII psychology we grew up with, and why the individual freedoms were paramount.

This wasn't about "personal" affronts. Most protestors were fully vaccinated. Truckers were more highly vaccinated than the general population. It was about treating others in our society as second-class citizens, as so many societies had done before and we see around the world. It was about violating basic human decencies toward each other. Watch the videos at how Quebeckers and Albertans came together, united in the beliefs of treating citizens with human decency and the most basic rights.

The same principles apply with anti-Woke. Wokism is belief system in which it is ok to reduce people's values based on their "group-defining" traits, not their individual situation. Again, the outcome is predictable that this will increase hatred, divisiveness, unconscious bias, and injustice, and do nothing of use. It's premise is backwards, essentially comparing everybody else to white males and saying that everybody should want to do what they do in the same proportions, and then forceably make the numbers come out proportional to make these activists happy. This is, of course, backwards. It says the fact there are few Amish physicists is automatically due to systemic bias against the Amish, and we must force the Amish physicist numbers to rise to be "equitable".

It also isn't "neo-traditionalist". It is Chesterton's Fence. We understand *why* these principles exist at the level of our constitution. They are a defence against the evils of tribal psychology and authoritarian elitism. We understand that progress is made -- not through coercive threats by governments or mobs -- but by normalization and patience. Let people object. The ACLU had it right in Skokie.

There is nothing incoherent or embarrassing about any of this.

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It also isn't a move to "the right". It used to be that the Liberals fought against authoritarian religious conservatives, fought for individual rights and freedoms, and defended the freedom of speech, freedom to choose ("My body, my choice!"), and signed up to the principle that, "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it."

Now, it is the Liberals (and NDP) who are the threat to these principles. It's not that Gen X have aligned with social conservatism, but that the Liberal party has abandoned defending these principles and have taken to pushing a monolithic orthodoxy of belief. The Edmonton teacher attacking a Muslim student for their beliefs is as much a religious conservative as any, and is only slightly more overt than what is the political norm.

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