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On The Line: The Ghosts in the Machine
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On The Line: The Ghosts in the Machine

Jen Gerson speaks with an AI expert on the spooky side of this new technology.

In this episode of On The Line, Jen Gerson speaks with Karin Valis, a Berlin-based machine learning engineer and writer behind Mercurial Minutes. Together, they explore the complex and sometimes unsettling ways artificial intelligence intersects with human cognition, creativity, and mental health.

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They talk about how the role of AI engineers is shifting and what that means for the future. They get into the way we lean on machines to do our thinking for us — and what that does to our own brains. There’s a lively back-and-forth about whether AI companionship helps or hurts us, and what happens when we start to depend on it too much. Karin also explains how these systems reflect our own behaviour back at us, often in surprising ways, and why the ethical questions are only getting harder.

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Of particular interest to many, we suspect, you’ll also hear a thoughtful take on where AI is headed — not as something alien or futuristic, but as a mirror of ourselves, raising tough questions about how we adapt to the tools we’ve built. And also on the ethical issues that will inevitably arise — and it is inevitable — when AI and increasingly life-like robots are combined.

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