The consultation obligation comes during the approval of individual projects. The Government does not have to consult with aboriginal pressure groups (or anyone else) ahead of time about legislation it intends to introduce. This would be highly improper as it would allow those in the know to profit from information not publicly available in the marketplace. The Aboriginal Industry is not a fourth estate in Canada’s governance structure and it has no presumption to tell Parliament or a provincial legislature ahead of time what laws it can debate or pass. Anyone can make known his objections to proposed legislation, as will surely happen to the fullest! But Parliament can pass any law it wants to. Those with a grievance about a law can ask the Courts to rule on the constitutionality of the law after it passes in the usual manner. That's what everyone else has to do. The aboriginals can join the line.
But it sure makes all those land acknowledgements ring a little hollow, though, dun'n't it?
The land acknowledgements are rejected by many indigenous people themselves. I’ve always found them to be performative in nature while lacking substance. (How many reserves without safe drinking water have gained safe drinking water because of land acknowledgements? None. They’re performative words that allow people to feel like they’re doing something without actually doing anything.)
Thanks for the info. I had wondered why the BC Conservatives did not support the NDP and now I know Rustad's reasoning. I also support the repeal of UNDRIP.
But the world moves on and tough choices will never stop presenting themselves to human society. Canada must be governable and we have a decent history of muddling through, at the risk of courting mediocrity.
We have not avoided bad choices, shameful incidents and blatant stupidity but we have never given way to some of the brutal extremes that have occured in other places and other eras. Hopefully Carney will be able to steer our loaded canoe through the treacherous rapids we are just broaching.
That canoe Carney is to steer is overloaded with false promises, false gods, yes, gods, faulty, unrealistic ideology, deeply entrenched habits of bad governance, and multilayered conflicts of interest, among other items that do not benefit Canada at all.
Pretending indigenous tribes are independent sovereign nations and negotiation partners from this other entity called 'Canada' while utterly dependent on non indigenous public funding to meet even basic services is a luxury belief whose time to face reality has come. Industry and resource extraction drives Canada's economy and no amount of clothing rending and gnashing of environmental teeth and denial of permits/licenses alters this brute fact. We can't have it both ways.
I'm glad the BC NDP and Ontario's PCs have finally 'awokened' to this fact (because of childish Bad Orange Man and not us responsible adults, strangely enough). Perhaps other dreamy bubble world urbanites throughout the land will also snap out their sleepy stupor to join us back here in the real world where identity hierarchy and transfer payments to match really don't drive economies but reduces it. Whodathunk?
An NDP Premier proactively negating the effects of the UNDRIP straightjacket so that the Canadian resource economy can take off is the kind of progress Canada needs.
It seems that the First Nations allies are only happy when they’re getting what they want. As soon as something has to be done that will benefit the wider Canadian population they demand veto rights (camouflaged as ‘consultation’) while continuing to accept the taxpayers’ cash. They surely cannot have it both ways - but, then again, this is the Canadian reality.
That David Eby is a monster. How dare he want to DO THINGS ! How un-Canadian. We don't do things, we consult, appointment committees to study and produce white papers. In the words of that great Ottawa Minister , Melanie Jolie , we are conveners, not doers. David Eby does not understand and should be ashamed of his reckless "activity"
Thanks for the BC Insider baseball - it's appreciated by this Albertan.
I sure had a good laugh at this quote:
“Mr. Eby is a snake oil salesman,” said Don Tom, vice-president of the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs, and a former NDP ally on UNDRIP who admitted he voted for Eby’s party in the last election. “He’ll tell us how great it is, what the benefits are, but we know in reality that it will do us no good.”
Really? A politician? Selling Snake Oil? Telling us they know what's good for us?
Wow, that's a really shocking new insight on politicians from Don Tom.
Here's a relevant quote:
'Since a politician never believes what he says, he is quite surprised to be taken at his word.'
It’s funny how little trust 8 years has gotten him. He hasn’t even done anything yet. He’s passed legislation to be able to do something if he needs to and his supposed allies have turned on him immediately. I don’t disagree with the Conservatives on the potential for corruption this presents, but arguing he’s turned on environmentalism and first nations seems a bit premature at this point.
Isn't it instructive to see how each of the provincial premiers has a compulsion to respond to the Trump situation, and we see it come out it different ways in each province? This seems to point to a weakness in our constitutional framework, or a customary way of behaving that is flawed. I'm thinking that this is a national/interprovincial problem.
I think it’s much more complex than that. There are some things that became mainstream political discourse that are luxury topics or points of activism - meaning that when things are going good people care and support them, but when things get tough, people return to meeting their own highest priority needs.
It’s like Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. People can only work on the upper tiers when the lower tiers are secure. Things like climate change and reconciliation take a back seat when people are worried about their finances and feeding their family. The ethics of that are a separate discussion - but there’s a difference between actions in times of insecurity vs ideology in times of security.
In some cases, things we thought were just luxury *needs* are, in the cold light of choice and scarcity, actually perverse to our longer security interests. Dane-geld at the time seemed like a delightful luxury: pay off the enemy so you didn't need to fight him. Imagine being so wealthy you could afford to do that! But it's a terrible bargain in the long run. Not a luxury at all. "You'll never get rid of the Dane!" (Kipling)
Maslow's hierarchy is not strictly sequential, just as the stages of death and dying aren't, People need a feeling of self-worth and control of destiny even while they are scrabbling to get enough to eat. (Which is why welfare which provides food in abundance nonetheless rots the souls of its able-bodied recipients by denying them satisfaction of what seems a higher "luxury" need.)
I see it not as a flaw but as an asset. To quote “True North Strong and Free”. It’s a bit of an oxymoron. Do you want Strong or Free? Do the individual participants in the “confederation” reflect the wishes of their residents or only follow the wishes of the centralized Ottawa Reich/Apparatchik with minor variations allowed from time to time by their officially bilingual masters (as long as they convert “or” to “our” and “er” to “re” and make words ending in “m” end in “me”. After all if Quebec can have tongue troopers (troupers?) why can’t Canada?
I think we’re trying for a version of “True North strong and (comparatively) free” - freedom is such a slippery word when we’re all paying taxes of various kinds. I take your point though regarding the perception of master vs. slave.
That's not really true. In the current political leadership (from all sides) , revenue comes from borrowing. Every issue, revery election is answered with a promise to spend more, and that new spending is 100% financed by deficit budgets.
An expansive agenda of reconciliation activities looks to be another byproduct of the progressive era that passed Peak Woke sometime around 2020. Now that the costs are becoming evident and public backlash has been building, politicians see which way the political tides have shifted and positioning themselves accordingly.
However, they're going to face challenges in the form of the courts, which had previously forced movement on aboriginal issues and is relatively impervious (or oblivious) to the political and societal currents that politicians have to navigate in order to win and keep their positions. Governments can *pass* this stuff, but it might not pass muster with the agenda of the courts.
How many battalions does the Supreme Court have to enforce its rulings?
This isn’t as truculent as it sounds. The Supreme Court can declare that a law is invalid, fine. Then the police won’t arrest people for breaking it because they know the lower courts won’t entertain convictions for a law that has been stricken. But if the Supreme Court says that the taxpayers and creditors of Canada mist give $30 billion to the indigenous chiefs every year and, further, set aside from the productive activity of Canadians hundreds of billions more for future payouts in various ingenious land claims, that is another matter entirely. Parliament can say, “Buzz off, learned and honoured justices. We ain’t payin’. Now try to make us.”
This is what you call a Constitutional crisis. The outcome of such a crisis would be, I believe, that Parliament would have absolute power of the purse. The Court would be left with its authority to strike down laws but couldn’t interfere with spending policy or treaty interpretation. Would there be riots and violence? Possibly. That’s what the battalions are for.
This is such a weird one. It wont speed up anything in reality, any community and first nation can still take legal action on things they deem problematic. Eby is an extremely arrogant "I know what I am doing ,trust me" type of guy. To burn so much of the NDP allegiances and support over something that, in practice, will not help build our economy is bizarre to say the least. I also felt Bowinn Ma was well intended but to see her carrying Eby;s water and selling this thing makes her very naive or very deceptive (probably a mix of both). I hope this keeps getting traction because it should be the end of him next time there is an election.
David Eby is the left-wing version of Donald Trump. Massive ego, power hungry, running roughshod over democracy in pursuit of absolute authority, surrounding himself with simpering sycophants, doesn't care who he stabs in the back in order to get his way. Wonder if he cheats at golf?
I predict Carney whispered in Eby's ear during his flyby before voting.
Eby wants to BE something more than anything else, and I suspect he heard in that whisper that things were going to change, that we're going to extract for money, in defence of sovereignty, and maybe even move fast.
I'm sure Eby's ambition is matched only by his humungous ego, so aligning fast, todying to Feds looks like the right play for his personal plan.
Maybe, but I think it may be the fact that Eby, after quickly spending that big surplus that the financially astute Horgan left us, now has BC in a massive debt hole. He needs revenue and it must come from somewhere. And it is not politically tenable to hit BC taxpayers.
He has become noticeably more authoritarian over time. I’m not surprised at this at all.
The consultation obligation comes during the approval of individual projects. The Government does not have to consult with aboriginal pressure groups (or anyone else) ahead of time about legislation it intends to introduce. This would be highly improper as it would allow those in the know to profit from information not publicly available in the marketplace. The Aboriginal Industry is not a fourth estate in Canada’s governance structure and it has no presumption to tell Parliament or a provincial legislature ahead of time what laws it can debate or pass. Anyone can make known his objections to proposed legislation, as will surely happen to the fullest! But Parliament can pass any law it wants to. Those with a grievance about a law can ask the Courts to rule on the constitutionality of the law after it passes in the usual manner. That's what everyone else has to do. The aboriginals can join the line.
But it sure makes all those land acknowledgements ring a little hollow, though, dun'n't it?
This is going to be fun.
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The land acknowledgements are rejected by many indigenous people themselves. I’ve always found them to be performative in nature while lacking substance. (How many reserves without safe drinking water have gained safe drinking water because of land acknowledgements? None. They’re performative words that allow people to feel like they’re doing something without actually doing anything.)
Thanks for the info. I had wondered why the BC Conservatives did not support the NDP and now I know Rustad's reasoning. I also support the repeal of UNDRIP.
Not fun.
But the world moves on and tough choices will never stop presenting themselves to human society. Canada must be governable and we have a decent history of muddling through, at the risk of courting mediocrity.
We have not avoided bad choices, shameful incidents and blatant stupidity but we have never given way to some of the brutal extremes that have occured in other places and other eras. Hopefully Carney will be able to steer our loaded canoe through the treacherous rapids we are just broaching.
That canoe Carney is to steer is overloaded with false promises, false gods, yes, gods, faulty, unrealistic ideology, deeply entrenched habits of bad governance, and multilayered conflicts of interest, among other items that do not benefit Canada at all.
Pretending indigenous tribes are independent sovereign nations and negotiation partners from this other entity called 'Canada' while utterly dependent on non indigenous public funding to meet even basic services is a luxury belief whose time to face reality has come. Industry and resource extraction drives Canada's economy and no amount of clothing rending and gnashing of environmental teeth and denial of permits/licenses alters this brute fact. We can't have it both ways.
I'm glad the BC NDP and Ontario's PCs have finally 'awokened' to this fact (because of childish Bad Orange Man and not us responsible adults, strangely enough). Perhaps other dreamy bubble world urbanites throughout the land will also snap out their sleepy stupor to join us back here in the real world where identity hierarchy and transfer payments to match really don't drive economies but reduces it. Whodathunk?
An NDP Premier proactively negating the effects of the UNDRIP straightjacket so that the Canadian resource economy can take off is the kind of progress Canada needs.
It seems that the First Nations allies are only happy when they’re getting what they want. As soon as something has to be done that will benefit the wider Canadian population they demand veto rights (camouflaged as ‘consultation’) while continuing to accept the taxpayers’ cash. They surely cannot have it both ways - but, then again, this is the Canadian reality.
That David Eby is a monster. How dare he want to DO THINGS ! How un-Canadian. We don't do things, we consult, appointment committees to study and produce white papers. In the words of that great Ottawa Minister , Melanie Jolie , we are conveners, not doers. David Eby does not understand and should be ashamed of his reckless "activity"
Thanks for the BC Insider baseball - it's appreciated by this Albertan.
I sure had a good laugh at this quote:
“Mr. Eby is a snake oil salesman,” said Don Tom, vice-president of the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs, and a former NDP ally on UNDRIP who admitted he voted for Eby’s party in the last election. “He’ll tell us how great it is, what the benefits are, but we know in reality that it will do us no good.”
Really? A politician? Selling Snake Oil? Telling us they know what's good for us?
Wow, that's a really shocking new insight on politicians from Don Tom.
Here's a relevant quote:
'Since a politician never believes what he says, he is quite surprised to be taken at his word.'
Charles de Gaulle
It’s funny how little trust 8 years has gotten him. He hasn’t even done anything yet. He’s passed legislation to be able to do something if he needs to and his supposed allies have turned on him immediately. I don’t disagree with the Conservatives on the potential for corruption this presents, but arguing he’s turned on environmentalism and first nations seems a bit premature at this point.
The Socialism experiment failing again?
Article has nothing to do with socialism…. guy who doesn’t understand article or socialism immediately denounces socialism.
Is NDP socialist? Are they following their ideals?
Yepp. Is a multigenerational genetic flaw.
Wow.
Isn't it instructive to see how each of the provincial premiers has a compulsion to respond to the Trump situation, and we see it come out it different ways in each province? This seems to point to a weakness in our constitutional framework, or a customary way of behaving that is flawed. I'm thinking that this is a national/interprovincial problem.
I think it’s much more complex than that. There are some things that became mainstream political discourse that are luxury topics or points of activism - meaning that when things are going good people care and support them, but when things get tough, people return to meeting their own highest priority needs.
It’s like Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. People can only work on the upper tiers when the lower tiers are secure. Things like climate change and reconciliation take a back seat when people are worried about their finances and feeding their family. The ethics of that are a separate discussion - but there’s a difference between actions in times of insecurity vs ideology in times of security.
In some cases, things we thought were just luxury *needs* are, in the cold light of choice and scarcity, actually perverse to our longer security interests. Dane-geld at the time seemed like a delightful luxury: pay off the enemy so you didn't need to fight him. Imagine being so wealthy you could afford to do that! But it's a terrible bargain in the long run. Not a luxury at all. "You'll never get rid of the Dane!" (Kipling)
Maslow's hierarchy is not strictly sequential, just as the stages of death and dying aren't, People need a feeling of self-worth and control of destiny even while they are scrabbling to get enough to eat. (Which is why welfare which provides food in abundance nonetheless rots the souls of its able-bodied recipients by denying them satisfaction of what seems a higher "luxury" need.)
I see it not as a flaw but as an asset. To quote “True North Strong and Free”. It’s a bit of an oxymoron. Do you want Strong or Free? Do the individual participants in the “confederation” reflect the wishes of their residents or only follow the wishes of the centralized Ottawa Reich/Apparatchik with minor variations allowed from time to time by their officially bilingual masters (as long as they convert “or” to “our” and “er” to “re” and make words ending in “m” end in “me”. After all if Quebec can have tongue troopers (troupers?) why can’t Canada?
I think we’re trying for a version of “True North strong and (comparatively) free” - freedom is such a slippery word when we’re all paying taxes of various kinds. I take your point though regarding the perception of master vs. slave.
Yes that’s more accurate. Or perhaps “True North Strong and Free by Charter” ?
National problem. I agree with your linking it to the current "constitution".
First Nations leaders should applaud any initiatives that feed the economy because the money doesn't flow without revenue from business.
That's not really true. In the current political leadership (from all sides) , revenue comes from borrowing. Every issue, revery election is answered with a promise to spend more, and that new spending is 100% financed by deficit budgets.
An expansive agenda of reconciliation activities looks to be another byproduct of the progressive era that passed Peak Woke sometime around 2020. Now that the costs are becoming evident and public backlash has been building, politicians see which way the political tides have shifted and positioning themselves accordingly.
However, they're going to face challenges in the form of the courts, which had previously forced movement on aboriginal issues and is relatively impervious (or oblivious) to the political and societal currents that politicians have to navigate in order to win and keep their positions. Governments can *pass* this stuff, but it might not pass muster with the agenda of the courts.
How many battalions does the Supreme Court have to enforce its rulings?
This isn’t as truculent as it sounds. The Supreme Court can declare that a law is invalid, fine. Then the police won’t arrest people for breaking it because they know the lower courts won’t entertain convictions for a law that has been stricken. But if the Supreme Court says that the taxpayers and creditors of Canada mist give $30 billion to the indigenous chiefs every year and, further, set aside from the productive activity of Canadians hundreds of billions more for future payouts in various ingenious land claims, that is another matter entirely. Parliament can say, “Buzz off, learned and honoured justices. We ain’t payin’. Now try to make us.”
This is what you call a Constitutional crisis. The outcome of such a crisis would be, I believe, that Parliament would have absolute power of the purse. The Court would be left with its authority to strike down laws but couldn’t interfere with spending policy or treaty interpretation. Would there be riots and violence? Possibly. That’s what the battalions are for.
Leslie, I like the images but this is Canada where governments are cowards, Parliament is weak and nobody is willing to stick their necks out.
But I do like the images.
This is such a weird one. It wont speed up anything in reality, any community and first nation can still take legal action on things they deem problematic. Eby is an extremely arrogant "I know what I am doing ,trust me" type of guy. To burn so much of the NDP allegiances and support over something that, in practice, will not help build our economy is bizarre to say the least. I also felt Bowinn Ma was well intended but to see her carrying Eby;s water and selling this thing makes her very naive or very deceptive (probably a mix of both). I hope this keeps getting traction because it should be the end of him next time there is an election.
David Eby is the left-wing version of Donald Trump. Massive ego, power hungry, running roughshod over democracy in pursuit of absolute authority, surrounding himself with simpering sycophants, doesn't care who he stabs in the back in order to get his way. Wonder if he cheats at golf?
The BC Conservatives will make major gains from this, but none of the competence to deserve it. One byelection and things will go to hell.
I predict Carney whispered in Eby's ear during his flyby before voting.
Eby wants to BE something more than anything else, and I suspect he heard in that whisper that things were going to change, that we're going to extract for money, in defence of sovereignty, and maybe even move fast.
I'm sure Eby's ambition is matched only by his humungous ego, so aligning fast, todying to Feds looks like the right play for his personal plan.
Maybe, but I think it may be the fact that Eby, after quickly spending that big surplus that the financially astute Horgan left us, now has BC in a massive debt hole. He needs revenue and it must come from somewhere. And it is not politically tenable to hit BC taxpayers.
He has become noticeably more authoritarian over time. I’m not surprised at this at all.