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The Line Podcast: If this deal sucks, Carney is going to pay the price
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The Line Podcast: If this deal sucks, Carney is going to pay the price

On what we know, and don’t, about the deal. On fractures in Team Canada’s ranks. And how did Canada become dumpier than DETROIT?!

In the latest episode of The Line Podcast, recorded on August 21st, 2026, Matt Gurney joins remotely from Chicago as he makes his way home to Canada after a family event. Sorry, elbows uppers.

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The first segment is, admittedly, a bit of a placeholder. Until there is an actual Canada-U.S. trade deal to read, it’s difficult to have firm opinions about it — assuming there even is a deal. Your hosts walk through what’s been reported so far and explain why they’re reserving judgment until the details are public. That said, Matt highlights one rumoured provision that, if true, would represent a uniquely Canadian style of spectacularly self-inflicted policy failure. For the deeper analysis, look for Sunday’s Dispatch.

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Next, Matt and Jen examine the early political reaction to both the negotiations themselves and the rumours surrounding the deal. Both were struck by comments this week from Manitoba Premier Wab Kinew. With a combination of clarity and folksy charm, Kinew articulated what your hosts believe is the strongest criticism of Mark Carney’s handling of the America file they’ve heard so far. They’re not suggesting Kinew is about to jump into federal politics. He doesn’t need to. If someone can make a compelling case that this deal is bad for Canada, Carney could find himself under pressure from both the left and the right.

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Finally, Matt reflects on his recent travels through the United States. There are many ways Canada will never compete directly with America — they’re simply bigger and richer. But there are also areas where Canada once had a visible edge and has quietly lost it. Chicago has always had more crime and a higher murder rate than Toronto. That’s nothing new. What is new, Matt argues, is that downtown Chicago is now noticeably cleaner and better maintained than downtown Toronto. That’s not a consequence of American military power, economic dominance, or Donald Trump. That’s a Canadian policy failure.

And the really damning part? Downtown Detroit is cleaner than Toronto now, too.

All that and more in the latest episode of The Line Podcast.

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That’s all for now! Talk to you guys soon — we suspect Sunday’s dispatch might be a bit of a banger …


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