Mark Carney will get the same treatment, and get the same result as Count Ignatieff.
There is no saviour for this party right now. Agree, that Canadians are angry, and especially angry with elites arrogantly telling us what we “should think”.
This party needs a serious house cleaning, and any sane future leader should let the electorate do most of that work for them, so keep Trudeau and let him wear the defeat coming, then fix it with what remains.
I think Freeland’s transformation into Canada’s answer to Kamala Harris is pretty much complete and I do mean that in the most pejorative way possible. They are both second-in-command to leaders that wide swaths of their respective populations would not entrust with the responsibility of carrying the household garbage from the garage to the curb – and certainly not trust them to do it without simultaneously lecturing anyone within earshot that their countries are overrun by every ism and phobia known to man. Despite that, both Freeland and Harris would likely fare worse electorally than their respective bosses.
To that we can add their respective authoritarian tendencies – see Freeland’s chortling at freezing peoples’ bank accounts without prior judicial authorization and Harris’ record as California AG.
And now we have the bizarre non-sequitur (PP is wearing more makeup than me – WTF?) making Harris’ incoherent word-salad ramblings and maniacal and untimely cackling seem Nobel Prize-worthy by comparison. Toss in “I don’t own a car” and “we have cancelled the Disney Plus subscription at home” and I am not sure whether to be more terrified (by Freeland’s authoritarianism) or embarrassed for the Country (by her pathetic attempts to try and relate to the proletariat, many of whom rightly can’t stand her in the first place).
I’ve gotten to the point where I can’t even tell you anything she’s said in interviews or in parliament because her condescending tone just makes me see red. I don’t know why she and Trudeau, for all their comms spending and awareness of optics, can’t ditch the teacher voices and talk to adults like adults
But I hope he or Champagne or Freeland are given the runway to try...any kind of discourse would be preferable to another year of listening to Trudeau's offtopic, emotionally stunted, breathless and narcissistic prattle, and Poilievre might get an opportunity to expand on his platform if he doesn't have to respond to the tantrums of a five year old and his schoolyard buddies.
I feel like someone like Champagne might actually have an (admittedly still very long) shot if they were willing to throw the previous government under the bus. But anyone trying to defend and run as a continuation of the Trudeau government is probably toast.
The current crop of Liebranodips is all tainted by their blind obedience to JT. They have no hope, unless a large number of voters blank out at voting time.
Trudeau would be doing the country a disservice (along with many other disservices) by resigning. The electorate deserves the opportunity to kick his sorry butt (there’s a pun in there somewhere) to the curb and off to the rightful banishment he so richly deserves.
What I don't hear mentioned as a factor in determining an alternative to Trudeau is, who wants the gig?
Isn't it almost an implicit contradiction in terms for a competent/serious candidate to burn their one shot at the top job on a rump term heading into a near-certain party wipe?
I share The Line Editors bewilderment regarding Minister Freeland’s shaky debut at stand up comedy.
For starters, it’s hard to imagine that was a free agent stunt. So, if the line (sorry to malign you folks) was fed to her, okay but WHY? Perhaps channeling some Rodney Dangerfield comedic timing would have helped, but Dangerfield would have added a setup to make the punch line work. As in: “The Leader of the Opposition is a wolf in sheep’s clothing”…”He’s wearing more makeup than I am”
Regardless of the intent, it was pathetic oratory for an institution that has skewered more than one politician with wit and sarcasm. I often fault Ms. Freeland for her schoolmarm talk downs to Canadians but she outdid herself in negative vibes by trying to be a Yuk Yuk headliner.
I appreciate the time Jen and Matt put into watching Trudeau and all the federal politicians. And I sincerely mean that.
Regardless of angst about Trudeau and how and when he will leave, I believe that for most Canadians he is gone.
The enormity of lib/dip scandals and lies is all people are seeing now. Most people don’t care about political games; they just want the hurt to stop and the lib/dips disappeared.
Recent statements made by the Prime Minister regarding his future plans focus on the absurd notion that after running the country into the ground, he and only he can bring Salvation unto the flock and stave off those nasty Conservatives. (Knowing that many of his signature policies will be heaved overboard, just like he did to key decisions of the Harper administration.)
It all reeks of entitlement and arrogance. Based on recent polling data, it is predicted that the Liberals could lose 93 seats in the next election. NINETY THREE campaigns to finance and scrounge for volunteers, forced to pretend that walking to the electoral gallows is fun. If that doesn’t light a Caucus revolt, I don’t know what it would take.
Finally, in my localized version of public service, there is a common theme of nobility amongst participants, especially those who toil for years and climb to the top. This kind of politician never takes the public for granted and realizes that after having a fair turn it’s time to get the hell out of the way and make room for new blood. If Justin Trudeau framed that line of thinking into a retirement speech that would be off brand but well received.
Many decades ago, I asked my “international law professor” where one could go to get an injunction to prevent a major country from conducting nuclear testing in the Pacific - to the chagrin of nearby islanders. There wasn’t a satisfactory answer then, and there isn’t one now.
Accordingly, I would be satisfied with a far more modest model, well within Canadian control: a “rules-based NATIONAL ORDER”.
Where, for example, a national rail line could not be shutdown for weeks by grumpy aboriginal protesters, who believed that unelected chiefs on the other side of the country had been “disrespected” by somebody; or where anti-vax zealots couldn’t blithely shut down an international bridge, interrupting millions of dollars worth of international commerce.
And in both cases, where those affected by that illegality could be effectively compensated and injunctions prohibiting such behaviour are promptly enforced. And where a PM doesn’t have to whisper in the ear of a Toronto Police Chief, in order to get the law enforced in a Jewish neighbourhood.
I recognize we are a small sliver if the electorate, but from the perspective of the tech community, our feeling for Carney and Trudeau are polar opposites. Part of it is Carney is stitched into tech already: board member at stripe, advisor for various startups. Also, we see in Carney the technocrat you described with an emphasis on the need for the private sector to build and the government to support and not inhibit.
Where as it feels like we tried to work with Trudeau early on, but now he seems like he can’t hear anyone who disagrees with him. He comes to position conclusions and then tells tech to fall in line.
All that said, I think the current Liberal leadership is creating a poison pill for Carney by looking for a capital gains tax fight. Carney is going to find himself on the other side of that fight and the LPC won’t be able to switch over to support him.
Then again, politicians are good at switching positions when that’s the only option left to them.
Carney would probably make a really good finance minister, and would do well if paired with a leader with political talent who’s willing to listen. That’d look a lot like Chretien and Martin, or Harper and Flaherty. However, being PM isn’t an entry-level position, and Carney is a neophyte in politics despite his career in high levels of government.
I like my guys to look good on a Harley and/or driving a Ram. Oh yeah - it is great if they can fix my car. JT certainly doesn't fit the bill. Not smart and too pretty.
As always, love the content! One issue I'm having is that as a subscriber I'm getting the ads on the Private Feed. Should I be getting ads, or is that an oversight?
International institutions such as U.N., W.H.O. World Bank, The I.C.C. etc. would like us to come to the logical conclusion that there is a "Rules-Based International Order" - but, yeah it's just the richest and most aggressively armed who really make the rules.
This is a difficult subject to talk about. I think it scares our politicians. (and many people)
Mark Carney will get the same treatment, and get the same result as Count Ignatieff.
There is no saviour for this party right now. Agree, that Canadians are angry, and especially angry with elites arrogantly telling us what we “should think”.
This party needs a serious house cleaning, and any sane future leader should let the electorate do most of that work for them, so keep Trudeau and let him wear the defeat coming, then fix it with what remains.
Great stuff, G&G.
I think Freeland’s transformation into Canada’s answer to Kamala Harris is pretty much complete and I do mean that in the most pejorative way possible. They are both second-in-command to leaders that wide swaths of their respective populations would not entrust with the responsibility of carrying the household garbage from the garage to the curb – and certainly not trust them to do it without simultaneously lecturing anyone within earshot that their countries are overrun by every ism and phobia known to man. Despite that, both Freeland and Harris would likely fare worse electorally than their respective bosses.
To that we can add their respective authoritarian tendencies – see Freeland’s chortling at freezing peoples’ bank accounts without prior judicial authorization and Harris’ record as California AG.
And now we have the bizarre non-sequitur (PP is wearing more makeup than me – WTF?) making Harris’ incoherent word-salad ramblings and maniacal and untimely cackling seem Nobel Prize-worthy by comparison. Toss in “I don’t own a car” and “we have cancelled the Disney Plus subscription at home” and I am not sure whether to be more terrified (by Freeland’s authoritarianism) or embarrassed for the Country (by her pathetic attempts to try and relate to the proletariat, many of whom rightly can’t stand her in the first place).
I’ve gotten to the point where I can’t even tell you anything she’s said in interviews or in parliament because her condescending tone just makes me see red. I don’t know why she and Trudeau, for all their comms spending and awareness of optics, can’t ditch the teacher voices and talk to adults like adults
For a good argument from someone who speaks from a place of authentic knowledge why Mark Carney isn't likely to save the Libs, see
https://open.substack.com/pub/michellerempelgarner/p/about-those-mark-carney-rumours
But I hope he or Champagne or Freeland are given the runway to try...any kind of discourse would be preferable to another year of listening to Trudeau's offtopic, emotionally stunted, breathless and narcissistic prattle, and Poilievre might get an opportunity to expand on his platform if he doesn't have to respond to the tantrums of a five year old and his schoolyard buddies.
I feel like someone like Champagne might actually have an (admittedly still very long) shot if they were willing to throw the previous government under the bus. But anyone trying to defend and run as a continuation of the Trudeau government is probably toast.
The current crop of Liebranodips is all tainted by their blind obedience to JT. They have no hope, unless a large number of voters blank out at voting time.
Champagne has an annoying squeaky voice, second only to breathless, umming Trudeau.
Trudeau would be doing the country a disservice (along with many other disservices) by resigning. The electorate deserves the opportunity to kick his sorry butt (there’s a pun in there somewhere) to the curb and off to the rightful banishment he so richly deserves.
Liberals: "What / who will save the party and get me reelected?"
Rest of the country: "What / who will save my job / home / family / community and keep us off the streets?"
What I don't hear mentioned as a factor in determining an alternative to Trudeau is, who wants the gig?
Isn't it almost an implicit contradiction in terms for a competent/serious candidate to burn their one shot at the top job on a rump term heading into a near-certain party wipe?
Inflated egos and overweening ambition are common characteristics in politicians, so I don’t doubt that somebody will want the job.
Re: Who’s wearing the most makeup?
I share The Line Editors bewilderment regarding Minister Freeland’s shaky debut at stand up comedy.
For starters, it’s hard to imagine that was a free agent stunt. So, if the line (sorry to malign you folks) was fed to her, okay but WHY? Perhaps channeling some Rodney Dangerfield comedic timing would have helped, but Dangerfield would have added a setup to make the punch line work. As in: “The Leader of the Opposition is a wolf in sheep’s clothing”…”He’s wearing more makeup than I am”
Regardless of the intent, it was pathetic oratory for an institution that has skewered more than one politician with wit and sarcasm. I often fault Ms. Freeland for her schoolmarm talk downs to Canadians but she outdid herself in negative vibes by trying to be a Yuk Yuk headliner.
Always get a good laugh and some good thought material from The Line Podcast, thanks JG and MG!
Personally, I'd love to see Poilievre take Carney on in a debate; like watching unstoppable smug meets immovable technocrat.
I hope he goes before the next election but I doubt he will. If we were the UK he would have been forced out by now. Alas, we are not.
I appreciate the time Jen and Matt put into watching Trudeau and all the federal politicians. And I sincerely mean that.
Regardless of angst about Trudeau and how and when he will leave, I believe that for most Canadians he is gone.
The enormity of lib/dip scandals and lies is all people are seeing now. Most people don’t care about political games; they just want the hurt to stop and the lib/dips disappeared.
Re: Will he stay or will he go?
Recent statements made by the Prime Minister regarding his future plans focus on the absurd notion that after running the country into the ground, he and only he can bring Salvation unto the flock and stave off those nasty Conservatives. (Knowing that many of his signature policies will be heaved overboard, just like he did to key decisions of the Harper administration.)
It all reeks of entitlement and arrogance. Based on recent polling data, it is predicted that the Liberals could lose 93 seats in the next election. NINETY THREE campaigns to finance and scrounge for volunteers, forced to pretend that walking to the electoral gallows is fun. If that doesn’t light a Caucus revolt, I don’t know what it would take.
Finally, in my localized version of public service, there is a common theme of nobility amongst participants, especially those who toil for years and climb to the top. This kind of politician never takes the public for granted and realizes that after having a fair turn it’s time to get the hell out of the way and make room for new blood. If Justin Trudeau framed that line of thinking into a retirement speech that would be off brand but well received.
Many decades ago, I asked my “international law professor” where one could go to get an injunction to prevent a major country from conducting nuclear testing in the Pacific - to the chagrin of nearby islanders. There wasn’t a satisfactory answer then, and there isn’t one now.
Accordingly, I would be satisfied with a far more modest model, well within Canadian control: a “rules-based NATIONAL ORDER”.
Where, for example, a national rail line could not be shutdown for weeks by grumpy aboriginal protesters, who believed that unelected chiefs on the other side of the country had been “disrespected” by somebody; or where anti-vax zealots couldn’t blithely shut down an international bridge, interrupting millions of dollars worth of international commerce.
And in both cases, where those affected by that illegality could be effectively compensated and injunctions prohibiting such behaviour are promptly enforced. And where a PM doesn’t have to whisper in the ear of a Toronto Police Chief, in order to get the law enforced in a Jewish neighbourhood.
I would like protestors are to quit using free speech to cover up their hate and the 2020 ‘fear’ of covid to cover up their faces.
I recognize we are a small sliver if the electorate, but from the perspective of the tech community, our feeling for Carney and Trudeau are polar opposites. Part of it is Carney is stitched into tech already: board member at stripe, advisor for various startups. Also, we see in Carney the technocrat you described with an emphasis on the need for the private sector to build and the government to support and not inhibit.
Where as it feels like we tried to work with Trudeau early on, but now he seems like he can’t hear anyone who disagrees with him. He comes to position conclusions and then tells tech to fall in line.
All that said, I think the current Liberal leadership is creating a poison pill for Carney by looking for a capital gains tax fight. Carney is going to find himself on the other side of that fight and the LPC won’t be able to switch over to support him.
Then again, politicians are good at switching positions when that’s the only option left to them.
Carney would probably make a really good finance minister, and would do well if paired with a leader with political talent who’s willing to listen. That’d look a lot like Chretien and Martin, or Harper and Flaherty. However, being PM isn’t an entry-level position, and Carney is a neophyte in politics despite his career in high levels of government.
Listen girls- out here in the West JT would not be considered a catch. Jen isn’t wrong.
I like my guys to look good on a Harley and/or driving a Ram. Oh yeah - it is great if they can fix my car. JT certainly doesn't fit the bill. Not smart and too pretty.
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I had the same question
The podcasts are available to everyone, not just subscribers.
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International institutions such as U.N., W.H.O. World Bank, The I.C.C. etc. would like us to come to the logical conclusion that there is a "Rules-Based International Order" - but, yeah it's just the richest and most aggressively armed who really make the rules.
This is a difficult subject to talk about. I think it scares our politicians. (and many people)