Well said Jared!!! It’s a cowardly lot of shysters. The disgraced Dr Modry with his leg extension surgeries and literally robbing money from his own family he was charged with caring for, the scamming Jeff Rath who overcharged his legal costs by 5 times and was successfully sued for doing so, and the crook David Parker who committed the largest privacy breach in Albertas history. Literally boasting about treasonous dealings with the American government to ‘loan’ the project $500B to break up Canada. Strange given how it’s supposed to be such a windfall for all those who separate.
But sure, put your faith in these guys who are too fearful to run a party and a legitimate campaign in an election.
Whining isn’t leadership and it’s nothing to build a province on.
I'm still waiting for "Lead, not Leave" to provide credible evidence that Ottawa will actually address any of Alberta's issues. What we see in reality is a lot of talk and out year conditional promises. There are actions that could be taken immediately, repealing various Liberal laws that impede Alberta. None of them have happened. Just talk.
The Pathways program is still a nonnegotiable aspect of natural resource exploitation.
There are still rules and regulations in place that are designed specifically to prevent pipeline construction.
There are still impediments in place designed to impair the foreign investment required to explore and exploit our natural resources, essentially locking them in the ground .
There are still nine robed wizards in Ottawa that make up out of thin air rules to prevent pipelines and foreign investment.
There remain the de facto vetoes offered by the Prime Minister to BC Indigenous groups.
It seems to me that you're forgetting the word you used... "credible evidence that Ottawa WILL actually address" and you're expecting people to provide evidence that Ottawa HAS ALREADY fixed everything.
I don't know if the attempt to kill Alberta's industry with export restrictions was the biggest issue, but it was certainly the loudest issue. And the evidence is right there, it's just not done yet because it's a big job.
But fair enough, you're also looking for legal changes in Ottawa. Okay.. which laws specifically?
I believe Bill C-48 is the tanker moratorium. With respect, you're suggesting the equivalent of British Columbia dictating to Alberta that you'll have a sales tax like the BC PST. You're moving from "we should be allowed to operate our industry and export our product" to "Alberta should dictate to BC what environmental risk is acceptable on the BC coast and BC just has to accept Alberta's decision on what environmental risk is acceptable.
It's reasonable to insist on the ability to export a product we import on the east coast. At the same time, equality means equality... not Albertan supremacy.
On the second, you're talking about the Canadian energy regulation act that the oil industry didn't like? Yes, that is being overruled by more recent bills from Ottawa. So .. good news, you already have that.
The industrial carbon tax isn't specific to Alberta or your industry. And it remains popular in Canada. Democracy means that you can't always get what you want. Make a better case to convince other Canadians. You don't have a "we're being picked on" case on this one.
Of course Canadians waters are Canada's jurisdiction, not BC's, so your tanker point is simply wrong. Bill C-69 is still in effect, so I'm not sure what "being overruled" means.
And your point about the carbon tax illustrates the whole issue. Of course the this that Alberta objects to are popular elsewhere in Canada. That's why they are being imposed. And the only way to change that is to leave, because Canada won't listen as to why they are dumb, harmful, or unfair.
I wrote more above, but one is being overruled already. The tanker moratorium though? You're demanding that Alberta decide what goes on in Alberta and also Alberta decide what goes on in BC. You're going to need to talk to BC about that.
Are you sure insults are the best way to go? I mean, you could refute their arguments. How about why C-69 and C-48 continue to be great for Alberta O&G? Or the benefits of the annual MOU signing ritual? Why carbon capture is going to work this time?
Actually, in all seriousness, insults are probably the best federalist approach. They know that if they can make secession "icky" in the public mind, they will win. Project fear creates anger, and there's no actual hope of improvement within Canada.
If the separatists are like a bad Western, the federalists are like Waiting for Godot. Which is a great play, but I'd much rather watch it than live it.
Stop using argumetum ad hominem to cover the weakness of your argument.
The Line has decided to block secessionists from appearing in the podcast/newsletter, but has no compunction whatsoever in taking weak, pathetic drive-by potshots at others in an attempt to build silly little straw men to assassinate.
It is your business and how you choose to run it is yours and yours alone.
Banning folks and then taking cheap shots at them is so very CBC of you.
Thanks for that. My father taught all,6 of us boys the same. Hard work does pay off,then hold your head high on your way home at the end of the day. Get up in the morning,and do it all over again. I agree with you,seperatists should form a party,go to the Leg. Push your agenda. Easy to quit,harder to ‘work’ it out
"They promise a place where Albertans can finally be surrounded only by people who agree with them, governed only by people who flatter them, and protected from the hard realities of living in a big, diverse country." seems to capture the end game these alleged patriots. Only serious about separating honest Albertans from 1) their money for own purposes, and 2) the matting and respected country they are an integral part of and for most of us, our birthright as fiercely proud and loyal Canadians whose forefathers sacrificed for our future.
Perhaps they could set aside their cowboy cosplay and lay out a reasonable set of asks and changes that could be the basis for overdue structural and constitutional discussions. Until they do I have no time for their hokum!
I'm not sure why Mr Wesley had to open his opinion piece with a bit of a swipe at Stampede "You won’t find me doing the annual pilgrimage or donning the hat, buckle, and boots (my grandfather taught me well enough not to pose)." The joy of Stampede is that everyone gets to participate. As it was put nicely in an opinion piece in the Herald today: "The festival doesn’t replace your identity. It adds a layer on top of it, and somehow the layer fits everyone." We're not posing Jarred. Jen Gerson put it well herself, "The Stampede works because it eagerly embraces the city’s heritage, in a way that everyone — multi-generational Albertan, new immigrant, or even tourist — to take part in and share in the fun on an equal basis". And as the Herald opinion piece nicely stated "... you are invited to be Calgarian, whatever your origins, for 10 days. You get to be a cowboy — Calgary flavour." You may call it posing, but if everyone gets to pose and participate and smile, regardless of their partisan opinions, then that's a good thing... and maybe even a little bit unifying.
"They built alliances and persuaded their neighbours of a better way"? Well, as Tommy Douglas put it, a long time ago....
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
So just how open to Albertan persuasion do you really, honestly, believe those neighbours to be?
"Sometimes built fences when disagreements were insurmountable". I am curious if the "Lead not leave" contingent have any thresholds in mind at which point they would concede disagreements are insurmountable?
As to "all hat and no cattle", well, what an elegant description of a country that tolerated a virtue signalling debutante as PM for 10 years, still cannot establish free trade between provinces, still has on the books laws that so constipate economic development that government establishes a special projects office to avoid its own rules, continues to have the worst growth prospects in the G7, and on and on and on.
Sure there are hucksters and carpetbaggers everywhere. So the Rottawa ones are somehow selling salvation and the Alberta ones damnation? Seems like this discussion is all tuque and no poutine.
I think the argument is whether the collar is comfortable or not. It depends on whether you’re a wolf or a dog.
Well said Jared!!! It’s a cowardly lot of shysters. The disgraced Dr Modry with his leg extension surgeries and literally robbing money from his own family he was charged with caring for, the scamming Jeff Rath who overcharged his legal costs by 5 times and was successfully sued for doing so, and the crook David Parker who committed the largest privacy breach in Albertas history. Literally boasting about treasonous dealings with the American government to ‘loan’ the project $500B to break up Canada. Strange given how it’s supposed to be such a windfall for all those who separate.
But sure, put your faith in these guys who are too fearful to run a party and a legitimate campaign in an election.
Whining isn’t leadership and it’s nothing to build a province on.
I'm still waiting for "Lead, not Leave" to provide credible evidence that Ottawa will actually address any of Alberta's issues. What we see in reality is a lot of talk and out year conditional promises. There are actions that could be taken immediately, repealing various Liberal laws that impede Alberta. None of them have happened. Just talk.
All hat indeed.
The tanker ban is still in place.
The Pathways program is still a nonnegotiable aspect of natural resource exploitation.
There are still rules and regulations in place that are designed specifically to prevent pipeline construction.
There are still impediments in place designed to impair the foreign investment required to explore and exploit our natural resources, essentially locking them in the ground .
There are still nine robed wizards in Ottawa that make up out of thin air rules to prevent pipelines and foreign investment.
There remain the de facto vetoes offered by the Prime Minister to BC Indigenous groups.
AP, you make a very good point.
It seems to me that you're forgetting the word you used... "credible evidence that Ottawa WILL actually address" and you're expecting people to provide evidence that Ottawa HAS ALREADY fixed everything.
I don't know if the attempt to kill Alberta's industry with export restrictions was the biggest issue, but it was certainly the loudest issue. And the evidence is right there, it's just not done yet because it's a big job.
But fair enough, you're also looking for legal changes in Ottawa. Okay.. which laws specifically?
C-48, C-69, industrial carbon tax could all be repealed in short order. That would be credible evidence that progress is possible.
I believe Bill C-48 is the tanker moratorium. With respect, you're suggesting the equivalent of British Columbia dictating to Alberta that you'll have a sales tax like the BC PST. You're moving from "we should be allowed to operate our industry and export our product" to "Alberta should dictate to BC what environmental risk is acceptable on the BC coast and BC just has to accept Alberta's decision on what environmental risk is acceptable.
It's reasonable to insist on the ability to export a product we import on the east coast. At the same time, equality means equality... not Albertan supremacy.
On the second, you're talking about the Canadian energy regulation act that the oil industry didn't like? Yes, that is being overruled by more recent bills from Ottawa. So .. good news, you already have that.
The industrial carbon tax isn't specific to Alberta or your industry. And it remains popular in Canada. Democracy means that you can't always get what you want. Make a better case to convince other Canadians. You don't have a "we're being picked on" case on this one.
Of course Canadians waters are Canada's jurisdiction, not BC's, so your tanker point is simply wrong. Bill C-69 is still in effect, so I'm not sure what "being overruled" means.
And your point about the carbon tax illustrates the whole issue. Of course the this that Alberta objects to are popular elsewhere in Canada. That's why they are being imposed. And the only way to change that is to leave, because Canada won't listen as to why they are dumb, harmful, or unfair.
C-69 and C-48, for starters. Then clarity on the FN consultation process.
I wrote more above, but one is being overruled already. The tanker moratorium though? You're demanding that Alberta decide what goes on in Alberta and also Alberta decide what goes on in BC. You're going to need to talk to BC about that.
I dunno who this Wesley fella is but you can tell he's got no idea how much hard work goes into maintaining a grievance farm.
Have you any idea how many comment sections there are?
You think this epistemology just applies itself?
No sir.
Are you sure insults are the best way to go? I mean, you could refute their arguments. How about why C-69 and C-48 continue to be great for Alberta O&G? Or the benefits of the annual MOU signing ritual? Why carbon capture is going to work this time?
Actually, in all seriousness, insults are probably the best federalist approach. They know that if they can make secession "icky" in the public mind, they will win. Project fear creates anger, and there's no actual hope of improvement within Canada.
If the separatists are like a bad Western, the federalists are like Waiting for Godot. Which is a great play, but I'd much rather watch it than live it.
This is a pretty poor take on the situation.
Keith Wilson is not a cosplaying cowboy.
Stop using argumetum ad hominem to cover the weakness of your argument.
The Line has decided to block secessionists from appearing in the podcast/newsletter, but has no compunction whatsoever in taking weak, pathetic drive-by potshots at others in an attempt to build silly little straw men to assassinate.
It is your business and how you choose to run it is yours and yours alone.
Banning folks and then taking cheap shots at them is so very CBC of you.
Thanks for that. My father taught all,6 of us boys the same. Hard work does pay off,then hold your head high on your way home at the end of the day. Get up in the morning,and do it all over again. I agree with you,seperatists should form a party,go to the Leg. Push your agenda. Easy to quit,harder to ‘work’ it out
Jered Wesley, what happens when there is no one left to lie to?
Thank you Jared!
"They promise a place where Albertans can finally be surrounded only by people who agree with them, governed only by people who flatter them, and protected from the hard realities of living in a big, diverse country." seems to capture the end game these alleged patriots. Only serious about separating honest Albertans from 1) their money for own purposes, and 2) the matting and respected country they are an integral part of and for most of us, our birthright as fiercely proud and loyal Canadians whose forefathers sacrificed for our future.
Perhaps they could set aside their cowboy cosplay and lay out a reasonable set of asks and changes that could be the basis for overdue structural and constitutional discussions. Until they do I have no time for their hokum!
I'm not sure why Mr Wesley had to open his opinion piece with a bit of a swipe at Stampede "You won’t find me doing the annual pilgrimage or donning the hat, buckle, and boots (my grandfather taught me well enough not to pose)." The joy of Stampede is that everyone gets to participate. As it was put nicely in an opinion piece in the Herald today: "The festival doesn’t replace your identity. It adds a layer on top of it, and somehow the layer fits everyone." We're not posing Jarred. Jen Gerson put it well herself, "The Stampede works because it eagerly embraces the city’s heritage, in a way that everyone — multi-generational Albertan, new immigrant, or even tourist — to take part in and share in the fun on an equal basis". And as the Herald opinion piece nicely stated "... you are invited to be Calgarian, whatever your origins, for 10 days. You get to be a cowboy — Calgary flavour." You may call it posing, but if everyone gets to pose and participate and smile, regardless of their partisan opinions, then that's a good thing... and maybe even a little bit unifying.
"They built alliances and persuaded their neighbours of a better way"? Well, as Tommy Douglas put it, a long time ago....
"Canada is like an old cow. The West feeds it. Ontario and Quebec milk it. And you can well imagine what it's doing in the Maritimes."
So just how open to Albertan persuasion do you really, honestly, believe those neighbours to be?
"Sometimes built fences when disagreements were insurmountable". I am curious if the "Lead not leave" contingent have any thresholds in mind at which point they would concede disagreements are insurmountable?
As to "all hat and no cattle", well, what an elegant description of a country that tolerated a virtue signalling debutante as PM for 10 years, still cannot establish free trade between provinces, still has on the books laws that so constipate economic development that government establishes a special projects office to avoid its own rules, continues to have the worst growth prospects in the G7, and on and on and on.
why not try to address our grievances instead of being a pinhead and just giving us a bunch of cowboy cliches.
Sure there are hucksters and carpetbaggers everywhere. So the Rottawa ones are somehow selling salvation and the Alberta ones damnation? Seems like this discussion is all tuque and no poutine.
I think the argument is whether the collar is comfortable or not. It depends on whether you’re a wolf or a dog.