The NDP has shifted from being the party of the workers to the elitist left.
The political class and the in-crowd of the economically secure think the 10's of thousands that supported the Freedom Convoy are just a bunch of losers (the fringe minority with unacceptable views - well, unacceptable to them because they don't have to go to bed at night with the shoe of the elitists pressed down on their heads) and they think that because of the echo chamber of those around them who agree they have it all figured out.
It must be really difficult to get any sleep while balancing on willfully ignorant heads.
You know, I've never considered myself to be an elite before. Considered trying to be a Champagne Socialist but I don't like the stuff. I'm a Boomer and we got an earful last week on that.
The Con-voy didn't have unacceptable views. They didn't have any views. They were incoherent. Any flag that was pointed out was denied. The didn't use their words they used their horns. They arrived with an MOU. Prop up any hairy young guy and ask him why he was there and 6 others with their phones would start interrupting each other, while the young hairy guy nodded like a bobble-head yelling FREEDUM and Bitcoin!. Yeah, for the most part the "truckers" (we know they were a small number not of the actual working truckers who we all appreciate) were a bunch of losers. 1 week was a long protest, 3 weeks was simply stupid. 10's of thousands? Ha!
The convoy raised millions from people without money. Outstripped every political party if I recall correctly. And FINTRAC did confirm it was mostly small donations from grassroot Canadians, not the evil foreign guys. I'm not talking about the pros and cons of the convoy, just commenting on the fundraising issue you raise.
They are weakened by factionalism, as always. That's why so many of their very good policies never see the light of day. It's a shame but even their leader recognises this, I think.
I'm sure I'll regret asking, but how could the war have been avoided? It could have been avoided if Ukraine had been severed...perhaps. Maybe if the Eastern provinces had a referendum about which country they wanted to be a part of...but who would oversee it? Isn't all that just appeasement of Russia?
That's what the Liberals are counting on, but they are going to be challenged too.
And if the Conservatives elect someone like Charest or most of the other declared candidates for that party, who are just other elitist's trying to paint themselves as being different, they're going to be challenged too.
The wedge in the class divide is getting much, much deeper and the scorned in Canada are starting to find their voice.
Not even remotely. But, if we're talking about which direction the deepening class divide in Canada is pushing things, I think if the Conservatives elect a candidate who is viewed as an elitist just trying to paint himself in blue, that's the direction many voters could go. And it concerns me greatly (for the future of our country) that many from the opposite side will think the solution to that is to yell louder at those who are already scorned.
We are following down the same general path as France and the US in my opinion unless we do something overt to change the direction.
That might be the attraction of the large crowds to Poilievre.
Ah yes, Macron, and his globalist elite. The very crowd that Trudeau is so enamoured and involved with. They must offer up Utopia and undying happiness to the peons for a vote. While they and the massive globalist corporations take over the lives and businesses of the people, dictating who may say what and on where. That utopia that strips the people of all control as they are wholly dependent on the government to survive. Yes we see them in Shanghai up in their whaling towers, jumping to their deaths. That is after they put their pets in plastic bags to be slaughtered in the streets before their eyes. That is your utopia. Any one thinking it’s other than that when you hand your lives and all control to government officials who crave power and wealth (they all do) this is how it ends. There is no utopia and you can not buy happiness..
We’re we not locked in our homes? Where the large corporate globalist entities not allowed to remain open while they shut down small and medium sized private businesses? How can it be safer to go to Walmart with thousands of other people over going to a local small grocer? Why did all global corporations and billionaires make trillions while private business owners went bankrupt or committed suicide due to their entire life’s work being destroyed from government dictate! Have you ever been locked in your home for any reason in this country before? Not only for two weeks but two years this has gone on. Confining travellers to hotels for entering their own country, vaccinated, and taken to a hotel room with no food. Did they break a law and go straight to jail with not even a whisper of a defence ? Are they not confining Canadians to their Provinces and country Disallowed to leave because they refuse their vaccines? Firing people who will not take a vaccine that they have no information on? There has been no informed consent, as they refuse to tell people anything about the vaccine, the bad outcomes or give them enough information to call it informed consent. You just have to trust the people in charge who say it’s ok. That is not informed consent. The fact that Pfizer and the FDA had to be taken to court to release the information on the drug trials of the vaccine. They needed 75 years before releasing it? They call that informed consent when even other doctors and scientists wanted that information to know more!!!!!! The truckers convoy freezing bank accounts, throwing them in jail with no due process while the media and government both lied in order to bring the emergency act in and their riot squads against them. Freezing their donations twice! Saying it was foreign funded. It was all lies from the media and Trudeau’s good friend and former Liberal MP, the Mayor of Ottawa! Yes it’s not just that Trudeau is a Dictator but he has a deep admiration with the CCP, and it shows. So yes I am saying that Canada is close to being Shanghai. Give it a few years and we will emulate it perfectly.
So very many buzz words but dead pets and Shanghai (whaling?) towers was new.
Ya know, way back when, March 2020 or thereabouts we first became aware of Covid 19. A novel coronavirus that would magically turn many into instant FB MDs. Impressive. And many a FB & yt lawyer too.
Thousands of other doctors and scientists and people who's jobs I cannot pronounce worked and collaborated and tested and modeled, over and over again and they came up with guidelines and warnings and amazingly, vaccines. They were not correct all the time but mostly they did an exemplary job and millions of people around the world are alive today because of it.
I do not know what province you are in ML, but I can guess. In my neck of the woods, malls were closed but opened with masks and limited numbers a few months in. Summer was not bad and we are a tourist town. My grandkids visited we went horseback riding. The drug stores and grocery stores never closed. Restaurants did take-out or curbside. Trucks delivered supplies, food banks stayed open. The dog was walked, sometimes on the beach. People were polite, thoughtful and we all gave each other space. I can't help but think you must live somewhere where it's more of an angry dog-eat-dog place. So much stress. But it was a pandemic. They have happened in the past. It was not a ploy to lock everyone up and make you crazy playing Cassandra.
Now, back on FB and youtube it was another story. ML knows those stories as do most of us here. Most of us know that they are not even different opinions, they are misinformation. They are designed to hurt, not help.
What is your problem with the CCP? The 2nd largest economy on our interesting globe. Xi has been pulling his billions of citizens (1.4b?) out of essentially feudalism and he is doing it. We don't have to like the methods but big sweeping BS statements reflects badly on you. I don't like their politics but they have a history that stretches back thousands of years. You hate China because JT "admires" it? Maybe Xi is getting Dictator hair tips from JT.
Riot squads? Lies from all that media that was pouring out all of those phones? Hardly. Don't use a "go-fund-me type of set up for your revolution, that's just stupid. Those great unwashed were not going to get a nickle of it. How about that guy from Alberta who lives in his car now because he lost everything. He donated and drove and helped doing stuff and he kept all his receipts like they told him but he is living in his car! He couldn't make his rent! C'mon ML, help the guy out.
Who isn't getting due process? Whatisname King? He has a bevy of personal lawyers to handle things for him. I know this bc I saw his video.
There is little need of me saying anything to your truth telling with nothing but further misinformation. As you have told me before I am wrong. It’s not my job to convince you of anything, as you already know it all. I won’t disrespect your opinion of events nor will I call you a liar. I just think we live in two different worlds. Let’s just leave it at that.
Macron beat Le Pen previously because people worried that she was a bigot who would discriminate against a sizeable majority of French citizens, ie Muslims.
Now we know that Macron is a bigot who discriminates against a sizeable minority of French citizens, ie the unvaccinated.
5% of the French are Muslim, and 20% of the French are unvaccinated. Does that mean an anti-unvaccinated bigot is worse than or better than an anti-Muslim bigot? I think it's much of a muchness, personally. But then, I'm not a bigot.
You know, maybe it's time we took a very long and very, very hard look at the 'globalist' economic model we've been following for the last 35-odd years.
From signing "free trade" deals that were effectively bills of rights for foreign companies and transferred power from elected officials to unelected, unaccountable trade bureaucrats, gutted key regulatory protections (one reason our banking system didn't implode the way America's did in 2008 was because of our stricter banking regulations), constantly gutting the tax bases and making it harder for governments to actually do the things we expect them to (from education to infrastructure to the military, and running up huge deficits when we run into sudden problems) and allowing good-paying jobs to be constantly moved offshore, it's all led to, as Ms. Raworth and several other commenters have alluded to, rising inequality, people feeling like they have no future and increasing receptiveness to far-right populism.
When a conservative stalwart and leftist punching bag like Jonathan Kay writes about how he finds a lot of the ideas suggested by Linda McQuaig reasonable, and the International Monetary Fund is sounding the alarm on the dangers of rising inequality, there's clearly something very, very rotten in Denmark.
It's been a while coming but anyone with a brainette saw the probable results of that nonsense coming. I thought 30 years because that's how long things like this take to have their most effect on us. The first 2 decades are warning shots but no one seems inclined to pay attention. It's like knowing there's a tsunami coming but being surprised when you're washed out to sea while filming it.
Kay flat-out says that his faith in laissez-faire norms was shaken by the 2008 crisis, and he was surprised at how reasonable he found the policy suggestions of McQuaig and her co-author Neil Brooks. He even criticizes his fellow conservatives for mostly not even trying to come up with a solution for inequality, or to reconcile their faith in capitalism with the market fuck-ups of '08, or for coming up with solutions of their own to it.
I suspect that Kay hates being proven right on this issue.
I'm of the belief that we've reached a Catch-22 for the government. They can't tell the truth and get elected, and they can't fix what's wrong without telling the truth.
Because of that, and a political class that now answered only to business (see subsidies and tax breaks) instead of the electorate, you have a very large group of very angry disenfranchised people. As a certain Austrian Corporal figured out, give people hope, and someone to blame their situation on and they will follow you to the ends of the earth. Add to that, there are a lot of people who aren't too bright (based on FB commentary...some of it is mine :) ) and that group gets larger and angrier as it absorbs misinformation by the handful paying no attention to whether it's real. When people start calling the act checkers liars because "they did their research", the problem grows fast.
The pressure is becoming explosive, and the leadership in the western world is lawn bowling rather than addressing it with reality.
The GOP appears to have taken over that role for 2022 and beyond. I suspect democracy in the US effectively dies in November. What will be the implications of that for us? There is still a healthy chunk of the prairie population that would happily join in with that.
Le Pen learned her right-wing ways at her papa's knee. She's been spending that last few years softening her image, kicking daddy out of the party, immigrants...she luvs immigrants now tho she says they are responsible for the most barbaric crimes. She even changed the name of the party papa founded; the National Front is now the National Rally since '18. She is not a nicer softer Marine, she wants the top job. She and Macron just wrapped up a debate an hour ago. theguardian.com has it.
I don't know if Putin even bothered to salt. All he had to do was imply something nice to Trump and Trump would sing his praises. MAGAts were on board with all of that.
The NDP has shifted from being the party of the workers to the elitist left.
The political class and the in-crowd of the economically secure think the 10's of thousands that supported the Freedom Convoy are just a bunch of losers (the fringe minority with unacceptable views - well, unacceptable to them because they don't have to go to bed at night with the shoe of the elitists pressed down on their heads) and they think that because of the echo chamber of those around them who agree they have it all figured out.
They don't. And they are going to be challenged.
It must be really difficult to get any sleep while balancing on willfully ignorant heads.
You know, I've never considered myself to be an elite before. Considered trying to be a Champagne Socialist but I don't like the stuff. I'm a Boomer and we got an earful last week on that.
The Con-voy didn't have unacceptable views. They didn't have any views. They were incoherent. Any flag that was pointed out was denied. The didn't use their words they used their horns. They arrived with an MOU. Prop up any hairy young guy and ask him why he was there and 6 others with their phones would start interrupting each other, while the young hairy guy nodded like a bobble-head yelling FREEDUM and Bitcoin!. Yeah, for the most part the "truckers" (we know they were a small number not of the actual working truckers who we all appreciate) were a bunch of losers. 1 week was a long protest, 3 weeks was simply stupid. 10's of thousands? Ha!
So many buzz words!
The scorned are finding their voice.
WTF are the scorned?
That would be Who ...?
Is it as practical a matter as fundraising? They need to appeal to people with money? Their old base doesn't have much anymore.
The convoy raised millions from people without money. Outstripped every political party if I recall correctly. And FINTRAC did confirm it was mostly small donations from grassroot Canadians, not the evil foreign guys. I'm not talking about the pros and cons of the convoy, just commenting on the fundraising issue you raise.
Capitalising on outrage.....such a simple concept. Giving people someone to be angry at. How many times have we seen that used throughout history?
They are weakened by factionalism, as always. That's why so many of their very good policies never see the light of day. It's a shame but even their leader recognises this, I think.
I'm sure I'll regret asking, but how could the war have been avoided? It could have been avoided if Ukraine had been severed...perhaps. Maybe if the Eastern provinces had a referendum about which country they wanted to be a part of...but who would oversee it? Isn't all that just appeasement of Russia?
That's what the Liberals are counting on, but they are going to be challenged too.
And if the Conservatives elect someone like Charest or most of the other declared candidates for that party, who are just other elitist's trying to paint themselves as being different, they're going to be challenged too.
The wedge in the class divide is getting much, much deeper and the scorned in Canada are starting to find their voice.
So you want everyone to vote for a Max dude?
Not even remotely. But, if we're talking about which direction the deepening class divide in Canada is pushing things, I think if the Conservatives elect a candidate who is viewed as an elitist just trying to paint himself in blue, that's the direction many voters could go. And it concerns me greatly (for the future of our country) that many from the opposite side will think the solution to that is to yell louder at those who are already scorned.
We are following down the same general path as France and the US in my opinion unless we do something overt to change the direction.
That might be the attraction of the large crowds to Poilievre.
Ah yes, Macron, and his globalist elite. The very crowd that Trudeau is so enamoured and involved with. They must offer up Utopia and undying happiness to the peons for a vote. While they and the massive globalist corporations take over the lives and businesses of the people, dictating who may say what and on where. That utopia that strips the people of all control as they are wholly dependent on the government to survive. Yes we see them in Shanghai up in their whaling towers, jumping to their deaths. That is after they put their pets in plastic bags to be slaughtered in the streets before their eyes. That is your utopia. Any one thinking it’s other than that when you hand your lives and all control to government officials who crave power and wealth (they all do) this is how it ends. There is no utopia and you can not buy happiness..
I'm no fan of either, but are you seriously associating the crimes of a Communist regime with "globalist elite corporations"? lol
We’re we not locked in our homes? Where the large corporate globalist entities not allowed to remain open while they shut down small and medium sized private businesses? How can it be safer to go to Walmart with thousands of other people over going to a local small grocer? Why did all global corporations and billionaires make trillions while private business owners went bankrupt or committed suicide due to their entire life’s work being destroyed from government dictate! Have you ever been locked in your home for any reason in this country before? Not only for two weeks but two years this has gone on. Confining travellers to hotels for entering their own country, vaccinated, and taken to a hotel room with no food. Did they break a law and go straight to jail with not even a whisper of a defence ? Are they not confining Canadians to their Provinces and country Disallowed to leave because they refuse their vaccines? Firing people who will not take a vaccine that they have no information on? There has been no informed consent, as they refuse to tell people anything about the vaccine, the bad outcomes or give them enough information to call it informed consent. You just have to trust the people in charge who say it’s ok. That is not informed consent. The fact that Pfizer and the FDA had to be taken to court to release the information on the drug trials of the vaccine. They needed 75 years before releasing it? They call that informed consent when even other doctors and scientists wanted that information to know more!!!!!! The truckers convoy freezing bank accounts, throwing them in jail with no due process while the media and government both lied in order to bring the emergency act in and their riot squads against them. Freezing their donations twice! Saying it was foreign funded. It was all lies from the media and Trudeau’s good friend and former Liberal MP, the Mayor of Ottawa! Yes it’s not just that Trudeau is a Dictator but he has a deep admiration with the CCP, and it shows. So yes I am saying that Canada is close to being Shanghai. Give it a few years and we will emulate it perfectly.
So very many buzz words but dead pets and Shanghai (whaling?) towers was new.
Ya know, way back when, March 2020 or thereabouts we first became aware of Covid 19. A novel coronavirus that would magically turn many into instant FB MDs. Impressive. And many a FB & yt lawyer too.
Thousands of other doctors and scientists and people who's jobs I cannot pronounce worked and collaborated and tested and modeled, over and over again and they came up with guidelines and warnings and amazingly, vaccines. They were not correct all the time but mostly they did an exemplary job and millions of people around the world are alive today because of it.
I do not know what province you are in ML, but I can guess. In my neck of the woods, malls were closed but opened with masks and limited numbers a few months in. Summer was not bad and we are a tourist town. My grandkids visited we went horseback riding. The drug stores and grocery stores never closed. Restaurants did take-out or curbside. Trucks delivered supplies, food banks stayed open. The dog was walked, sometimes on the beach. People were polite, thoughtful and we all gave each other space. I can't help but think you must live somewhere where it's more of an angry dog-eat-dog place. So much stress. But it was a pandemic. They have happened in the past. It was not a ploy to lock everyone up and make you crazy playing Cassandra.
Now, back on FB and youtube it was another story. ML knows those stories as do most of us here. Most of us know that they are not even different opinions, they are misinformation. They are designed to hurt, not help.
What is your problem with the CCP? The 2nd largest economy on our interesting globe. Xi has been pulling his billions of citizens (1.4b?) out of essentially feudalism and he is doing it. We don't have to like the methods but big sweeping BS statements reflects badly on you. I don't like their politics but they have a history that stretches back thousands of years. You hate China because JT "admires" it? Maybe Xi is getting Dictator hair tips from JT.
Riot squads? Lies from all that media that was pouring out all of those phones? Hardly. Don't use a "go-fund-me type of set up for your revolution, that's just stupid. Those great unwashed were not going to get a nickle of it. How about that guy from Alberta who lives in his car now because he lost everything. He donated and drove and helped doing stuff and he kept all his receipts like they told him but he is living in his car! He couldn't make his rent! C'mon ML, help the guy out.
Who isn't getting due process? Whatisname King? He has a bevy of personal lawyers to handle things for him. I know this bc I saw his video.
There is little need of me saying anything to your truth telling with nothing but further misinformation. As you have told me before I am wrong. It’s not my job to convince you of anything, as you already know it all. I won’t disrespect your opinion of events nor will I call you a liar. I just think we live in two different worlds. Let’s just leave it at that.
Yes and you would be a troll there as well.
I've deleted a comment by Terry that was WAY out of line.
Terry, do not do that again.
Macron beat Le Pen previously because people worried that she was a bigot who would discriminate against a sizeable majority of French citizens, ie Muslims.
Now we know that Macron is a bigot who discriminates against a sizeable minority of French citizens, ie the unvaccinated.
He deserves to lose.
5% of the French are Muslim, and 20% of the French are unvaccinated. Does that mean an anti-unvaccinated bigot is worse than or better than an anti-Muslim bigot? I think it's much of a muchness, personally. But then, I'm not a bigot.
You know, maybe it's time we took a very long and very, very hard look at the 'globalist' economic model we've been following for the last 35-odd years.
From signing "free trade" deals that were effectively bills of rights for foreign companies and transferred power from elected officials to unelected, unaccountable trade bureaucrats, gutted key regulatory protections (one reason our banking system didn't implode the way America's did in 2008 was because of our stricter banking regulations), constantly gutting the tax bases and making it harder for governments to actually do the things we expect them to (from education to infrastructure to the military, and running up huge deficits when we run into sudden problems) and allowing good-paying jobs to be constantly moved offshore, it's all led to, as Ms. Raworth and several other commenters have alluded to, rising inequality, people feeling like they have no future and increasing receptiveness to far-right populism.
When a conservative stalwart and leftist punching bag like Jonathan Kay writes about how he finds a lot of the ideas suggested by Linda McQuaig reasonable, and the International Monetary Fund is sounding the alarm on the dangers of rising inequality, there's clearly something very, very rotten in Denmark.
It's been a while coming but anyone with a brainette saw the probable results of that nonsense coming. I thought 30 years because that's how long things like this take to have their most effect on us. The first 2 decades are warning shots but no one seems inclined to pay attention. It's like knowing there's a tsunami coming but being surprised when you're washed out to sea while filming it.
Bravo. Please run for PM.
Can you point me to where Kay says anything about McQuaid recently. In the last few years maybe?
No problemo:
http://reviewcanada.ca/magazine/2010/12/the-rich-are-bad-for-your-health/
Kay flat-out says that his faith in laissez-faire norms was shaken by the 2008 crisis, and he was surprised at how reasonable he found the policy suggestions of McQuaig and her co-author Neil Brooks. He even criticizes his fellow conservatives for mostly not even trying to come up with a solution for inequality, or to reconcile their faith in capitalism with the market fuck-ups of '08, or for coming up with solutions of their own to it.
I suspect that Kay hates being proven right on this issue.
Yes, I read that. It's 12 years old. I thought you had something more up-to-date for both of them. Do their positions still align?
I'm of the belief that we've reached a Catch-22 for the government. They can't tell the truth and get elected, and they can't fix what's wrong without telling the truth.
Because of that, and a political class that now answered only to business (see subsidies and tax breaks) instead of the electorate, you have a very large group of very angry disenfranchised people. As a certain Austrian Corporal figured out, give people hope, and someone to blame their situation on and they will follow you to the ends of the earth. Add to that, there are a lot of people who aren't too bright (based on FB commentary...some of it is mine :) ) and that group gets larger and angrier as it absorbs misinformation by the handful paying no attention to whether it's real. When people start calling the act checkers liars because "they did their research", the problem grows fast.
The pressure is becoming explosive, and the leadership in the western world is lawn bowling rather than addressing it with reality.
Maybe they could try telling the truth and see what happens?
I would vote for the first one who does. But you don't usually win elections by telling people they have to give things up.
If Le Pen moves any further to the right she is going to meet herself coming the other way.
Edit: Please delete, had reading comprehension issues
Who is Kristin Raworth and where does she teach sociology?
This view will be verified or falsified by the fraction of the 22% that voted socialist that jump to the fascists, rather than the centrist.
If the LePen appeal is really "economic anxiety", she'll pick up a bunch of socialists. I'm skeptical, but unwilling to predict French voters!
Canadian voters, I can predict on one issue: anti-immigrant == electoral suicide.
The GOP appears to have taken over that role for 2022 and beyond. I suspect democracy in the US effectively dies in November. What will be the implications of that for us? There is still a healthy chunk of the prairie population that would happily join in with that.
It's been dead for decades and, maybe, never was a strong infant.
Le Pen learned her right-wing ways at her papa's knee. She's been spending that last few years softening her image, kicking daddy out of the party, immigrants...she luvs immigrants now tho she says they are responsible for the most barbaric crimes. She even changed the name of the party papa founded; the National Front is now the National Rally since '18. She is not a nicer softer Marine, she wants the top job. She and Macron just wrapped up a debate an hour ago. theguardian.com has it.
I don't know if Putin even bothered to salt. All he had to do was imply something nice to Trump and Trump would sing his praises. MAGAts were on board with all of that.
You should get on FB and tell the French people what is what.