The idea that Carney's agenda is the same as Trudeau's may miss something important. Even if the new agenda isn't different in kind, it might be meaningfully different in degree.
Watching Carney, and looking at his platform, I agree that he doesn't think Trudeau was wrong about much (not even carbon tax, which Carney clearly saw as a good policy but a comms problem). Carney's theory is different; he thinks Trudeau was insufficiently ambitious.
Governments pretty much never under-spend their platform commitments; Carney's platform called for a $62Bn deficit this year, even after counting on $20Bn in tariff revenue that mostly isn't going to materialize. When he talks about redirecting trade flows and conjuring new industries by decree and doing a Euro-style crackdown on misinformation, he makes Trudeau sound like a rank incrementalist. He won't shut up about dramatically increasing the pace of "building", i.e., spending.
We tend to watch for policy reversals, and miss escalations, but those are important too. This isn't more of the same; it's even more of the same. A lot more.
Yes seeing Gilbeault in the front row Tuesday morning (along with Joly, Fraser and Freeland) and listening to his arrogant, ill informed attitude Wednesday sunk my hopes that Carney might be a different PM as he alluded to during the campaign.
Same shit, different driver. Two to four more years of doing nothing and talking lots singing the same loser songs.
1:12 Journalism is another industry that has been captured by woke beliefs. Woke is a religion; those who disagree are heretics. The kids learned this at J school. And they will soon hold all the sr. editor jobs. And they are getting paid by our government.
19:06 I suggest that JT did run the Liberal Party. NO one challenged him. Perhaps now, Carney doesn't have that luxury, being a newcomer, untested and unused to party politics. He can't break out of the regional representation requirement for Cabinet. Look at the public noise that Nathaniel Erskine-Smith is making about being dropped from Carney Cabinet 2.0.
Please also remember that Liberals say anything to get elected but only do stuff (or not) to keep power. Promises, platforms: what are they?
Not to mention being replaced by a moron who made it about 24 hours in cabinet before thoroughly embarrassing himself (I even saw US commentators retweeting his "economic theories" ironically) and giving a giant middle-finger to young Canadians. I may not agree with a lot of Nate's policies, but he understands housing policy and how to talk to younger Canadians.
We should also consider that Smith was dumped from the portfolio because he WAS going to do something about it. The Liberals were elected by the Boomers and Robertson’s statement is sweet music to their ears.
27:35 The Liberals have done their analysis of the election result and their mandate. "We won". Full stop. They can happily be Trudeau 2.0 because they believe that's what the electorate told them with their votes. Elections are for winning, not considering past shortcomings (never mistakes/failures). Their change requirement was to dump Trudeau and replace him with a mature adult.
Job done. Stop whining about what you thought the election was about.
We badly need PP back in an in-session parliament to at least give the appearance of ideas other than the Liberals.
11:32 Carney as communicator solving the same Liberal problems. The MSM want to believe this in order to confirm their correct election support & call. No one but your guys will be the little boy who yells "but he has no clothes".
20:06 Did Carney ever talk about pipelines besides yes in the West and no in Quebec? He spoke of an "energy corridor", whatever that means. |I suspect he'll set up a plan for electricity grids that connect across Canada. Useful but nothing we can sell to make money.
Carney was, is, and will be full of deceptions. For years the economic advisor of Forever The Idiot King, now no federal budget for no good reasons, just 'cuz they have power. The only thing that will change is that the West will get screwed even worse, and the national debt will get also even worse.
I don’t think he is deceptive. The thing is that in the election, he was a blank slate who would be anything you imagined him to be. Now we actually get to see who he actually is.
Sure, but you are assuming that people know everything about one’s past views. People also change their views with time.
It also cuts both ways. For example, there is 20 years of data suggesting that PP is anti-abortion. Now I don’t think he would legislate that because I believe him and people change their minds.
PP allowed Carney to set the tone of the election by not pivoting fast enough. He allowed Carney unopposed press coverage by being a shithead to the media and blocking them from joining the campaign. That’s on him or on his advisors.
In view of the two-minute retaliatory tariffs before they were sneakily removed (or reduced to near zero) and the distinct possibility it was all a “cook up” with DJT in the first place (to wit, Carney’s warning to DJT that he would have to talk tough during the campaign), it seems pretty obvious to me that Carney is extremely deceptive, slippery, not to be trusted. Throw in carefully worded things such as “energy corridor” and all the unspecific palaver about the economy which sounds more every day like government grants to all and sundry, and you have Trudeau with connections, a resume, and foolish boomer support.
I am not seeing in Canada any evidence of the pendulum swing against woke of which you speak. In the USA? Absolutely! Trump’s behaving in monstrous ways. His administration's attempts to mandate quotas among university researchers/professors based on political ideology is a perfect example of a pendulum swinging way, I mean FUCKING WAY, too far. But again, this is the USA, not Canada. Listening to part of this podcast at times sounded like listening to Liberals whinging about the effect of overturning Roe v Wade on Canadian abortion laws.
In the past few months in Canada (just off the top of my head), right up to this very week we have seen the Dallas Brodie fiasco, Dundas subway station being re-named, Carney insisting on 50-50 M/F representation in his cabinet (maybe that was Erskine-Smith’s downfall – he should have self-identified as a female!) and an Ontario election in which only Bonnie Crombie spoke to the ongoing disgrace that is the Sir John A statue being vertically entombed at Queen’s Park (visitors from France that stumble upon it must think it’s Canada’s perverse answer to Napoleon being horizontally entombed for public viewing at Les Invalides in Paris). And we have the very real looming threat of Carney reviving the worst of Junior’s censorship legislation to tamp down on “misinformation” which you KNOW will consist of anything that challenges woke beliefs. I just do not see a pendulum swing at all in Canada.
I don’t disagree with the suggestion that there is a population of Canadians who embrace and embody the worst aspects of the MAGA backlash to woke but (a) they are relatively few and (b) as far as I can tell, outside of Quebec, none of them are even close to having their hands on the grip of power – and even in Quebec the legislative backlash seems to be confined to religion (not a Quebec resident so definitely stand to be corrected on that). And the latter point is determinative for me. Until you have someone in actual power who has the radical, illiberal, anti-woke views there is no chance of the pendulum swinging too far.
So yeah, we need to be alert to the possibility of a pendulum swinging too far, but not until it gets anywhere close to equilibrium and/or a Trump-like figure ascends to power in Canada. The former is a long way off to my eyes and the latter seems inconceivable to me. YMMV as the kids say.
No pendulum-swinging in my workplace. That said, I feel I can safely miss the first 10 minutes of a meeting because that's about the amount of time it takes for land acknowledgments and pronoun mentions. One day, I may declare my pronouns as who and whose. But I'll have to be at the don't give a fuck stage of employment because it would likely result in disciplinary action.
Jen - love the shirt! Also, I did a similar tour as you but in a different order - born in Toronto (& named Jen), lots of family still in Niagara and GTA, grew up in Kelowna, been in Alberta for 33 years now (had to do the thing). Alas, I did not spring for the “lived abroad” upgrade. But I do live only 10 minutes from Donut Mill, so, y’know… I have that going for me.
Wow the "pendulum swing" is going to be even more extreme than the woke era? I'm excited! So instead of woke cancellation mobs, land acknowledgements, pronouns, feminist foreign policy, pride flags, BLM, diversity statements, minority hiring quotas, drag queen story time, will we get - Family Values flags flying from every institution? Traditional morality, heirarchy, and the glory of Western Civilization relentlessly pushed in k-12? Patriarchal nationalism as our foreign policy? Patriotic loyalty statements for all higher ed applications? Toppled statues of John A. MacDonald replaced with towering monuments to our colonial triumphs? Mainstream newsrooms across the nation seized by militant right wing youth cadres? If we do not see a Canadian Joseph McCarthy 2.0 arise to stamp out the commies, I am going to be PISSED, and I will blame both of you personally.
1:04 Canada's woke element may be much more deeply embedded in our government bureaucracy and education system (primary to graduate). They will continue to set the standards for participation with and service by those bodies. We also have deep woke in the unions and professional bodies of those organizations.
You talked about representation based on population per riding. I’m ok with the discussion and agree.
My problem with representation is because of our first past the post voting system. I think proportional representation can be an improvement. I would like to hear a podcast about this topic. Have you done one in the past? If not, will you?
Proportional representation in Canada is guaranteed to worsen our already severely malfunctioning political machinery. You want to fix something ?
Rewrite our twisted and unfair constitution first. All kinds of malaise in this country stems directly from that document. Impossible, you say ?
Yeah, well the fact that it is just about impossible to do anything sensible in this country is one of the reasons why Canada is already partly down the shithole, with absolutely no prospect of arresting the degeneration.
Do you understand that the Liberals are the party that historically have been most over-represented in the current First-Past-the-Post electoral system? That would be why, of course, Trudeau lied in promising to replace the system: he wanted the Liberals to keep advantaging themselves from the status-quo.
I really, really opposed the idea of mail in ballots when that method came in. I still hate it! The problems that you identified are the responsibility of the idiots who used that method.
Too much? Truly, I think not.
My first prescription for the problem is to eliminate mail in ballots. And, Dear God!, don't get me started on prospective internet voting. Thankfully that isn't here yet.
If you - foolishly - choose to keep mail in ballots - foolish you! - make it so that it is the absolute responsibility of the elector to ensure that the ballot is received by the proper Elections Canada office absolutely no later than the end of voting on election day. The responsibility is absolutely on the elector; in other words, no issues of wrong address, wrong postal code, etc.
Oh, yeah, and the ridings of which you referenced this time? Tough!
If, on the other hand, it is decided to re-run the election in those ridings, do something that Carney did not do with the cabinet: fire the Chief Electoral Officer. Someone has to carry the can. Someone is ultimately responsible for bad postal codes, votes not counted, etc. Someone needs to pay the "ultimate" price.
Actually, I don't really care if they confirm the postal code.
What I do care about is that if they want to vote by mail it is on them in all respects to ensure that it arrives in the right place within the time limits.
Put differently, I think mail in ballots and (God forbid!) potential internet voting are all rife for fraud and accusations for fraud, not to mention accidents and human error. Therefore I put all the responsibility for deviating from the in person system on the person who wants that alternate way of voting.
My beef with mail-in ballots and heaven forbid, the prospects of voting electronically is the loss of a secret ballot. The secret ballot is an integral part of a free and fair election. We all get a ballot and we get to go off into a corner and make our choice with nobody looking over our shoulder.
I think seniors, women and barely voting age kids living in multi generational households are prime targets for obtaining a coercive vote out of a mail in ballot.
It is possibly the only option for some people, particularly when an election is called on short notice. Elections Canada has one job. I wonder how many envelopes were sent out with the wrong postal code. This was obviously a mistake that they caught and corrected. Otherwise, all ballots would have had the wrong postal code on them. So why didn't they make a number of announcements saying, hey, confirm the postal code on the return envelopes because we fucked up. That's what really pisses me about this whole thing. They knew. They chose not to disclose it.
The possibility for fraud with mail-in ballots is no more greater than with in-person voting. You cannot be granted access to a mail-in ballot without just as much ID as you would need to have on hand for voting in-person. It is easy to imagine mail-in ballots being intercepted and tampered with, but the people who want to do so would not be able to find out who is sending the mail and from where...
32:37 In Innovative Medicine Canada's ad. They need to review their ad copy and update it for relevance post-election. We've had our "change election" and, nothing's changed.
The idea that Carney's agenda is the same as Trudeau's may miss something important. Even if the new agenda isn't different in kind, it might be meaningfully different in degree.
Watching Carney, and looking at his platform, I agree that he doesn't think Trudeau was wrong about much (not even carbon tax, which Carney clearly saw as a good policy but a comms problem). Carney's theory is different; he thinks Trudeau was insufficiently ambitious.
Governments pretty much never under-spend their platform commitments; Carney's platform called for a $62Bn deficit this year, even after counting on $20Bn in tariff revenue that mostly isn't going to materialize. When he talks about redirecting trade flows and conjuring new industries by decree and doing a Euro-style crackdown on misinformation, he makes Trudeau sound like a rank incrementalist. He won't shut up about dramatically increasing the pace of "building", i.e., spending.
We tend to watch for policy reversals, and miss escalations, but those are important too. This isn't more of the same; it's even more of the same. A lot more.
Yes seeing Gilbeault in the front row Tuesday morning (along with Joly, Fraser and Freeland) and listening to his arrogant, ill informed attitude Wednesday sunk my hopes that Carney might be a different PM as he alluded to during the campaign.
Same shit, different driver. Two to four more years of doing nothing and talking lots singing the same loser songs.
1:12 Journalism is another industry that has been captured by woke beliefs. Woke is a religion; those who disagree are heretics. The kids learned this at J school. And they will soon hold all the sr. editor jobs. And they are getting paid by our government.
Can you imagine a bleaker picture for a nation?
19:06 I suggest that JT did run the Liberal Party. NO one challenged him. Perhaps now, Carney doesn't have that luxury, being a newcomer, untested and unused to party politics. He can't break out of the regional representation requirement for Cabinet. Look at the public noise that Nathaniel Erskine-Smith is making about being dropped from Carney Cabinet 2.0.
Please also remember that Liberals say anything to get elected but only do stuff (or not) to keep power. Promises, platforms: what are they?
The fact that he was dropped while Sean Fraser was kept would make me squawk too.
Not to mention being replaced by a moron who made it about 24 hours in cabinet before thoroughly embarrassing himself (I even saw US commentators retweeting his "economic theories" ironically) and giving a giant middle-finger to young Canadians. I may not agree with a lot of Nate's policies, but he understands housing policy and how to talk to younger Canadians.
We should also consider that Smith was dumped from the portfolio because he WAS going to do something about it. The Liberals were elected by the Boomers and Robertson’s statement is sweet music to their ears.
27:35 The Liberals have done their analysis of the election result and their mandate. "We won". Full stop. They can happily be Trudeau 2.0 because they believe that's what the electorate told them with their votes. Elections are for winning, not considering past shortcomings (never mistakes/failures). Their change requirement was to dump Trudeau and replace him with a mature adult.
Job done. Stop whining about what you thought the election was about.
We badly need PP back in an in-session parliament to at least give the appearance of ideas other than the Liberals.
11:32 Carney as communicator solving the same Liberal problems. The MSM want to believe this in order to confirm their correct election support & call. No one but your guys will be the little boy who yells "but he has no clothes".
20:06 Did Carney ever talk about pipelines besides yes in the West and no in Quebec? He spoke of an "energy corridor", whatever that means. |I suspect he'll set up a plan for electricity grids that connect across Canada. Useful but nothing we can sell to make money.
Carney was, is, and will be full of deceptions. For years the economic advisor of Forever The Idiot King, now no federal budget for no good reasons, just 'cuz they have power. The only thing that will change is that the West will get screwed even worse, and the national debt will get also even worse.
I don’t think he is deceptive. The thing is that in the election, he was a blank slate who would be anything you imagined him to be. Now we actually get to see who he actually is.
There is about 30 years of records showing who he is.
Sure, but you are assuming that people know everything about one’s past views. People also change their views with time.
It also cuts both ways. For example, there is 20 years of data suggesting that PP is anti-abortion. Now I don’t think he would legislate that because I believe him and people change their minds.
PP allowed Carney to set the tone of the election by not pivoting fast enough. He allowed Carney unopposed press coverage by being a shithead to the media and blocking them from joining the campaign. That’s on him or on his advisors.
In view of the two-minute retaliatory tariffs before they were sneakily removed (or reduced to near zero) and the distinct possibility it was all a “cook up” with DJT in the first place (to wit, Carney’s warning to DJT that he would have to talk tough during the campaign), it seems pretty obvious to me that Carney is extremely deceptive, slippery, not to be trusted. Throw in carefully worded things such as “energy corridor” and all the unspecific palaver about the economy which sounds more every day like government grants to all and sundry, and you have Trudeau with connections, a resume, and foolish boomer support.
I am not seeing in Canada any evidence of the pendulum swing against woke of which you speak. In the USA? Absolutely! Trump’s behaving in monstrous ways. His administration's attempts to mandate quotas among university researchers/professors based on political ideology is a perfect example of a pendulum swinging way, I mean FUCKING WAY, too far. But again, this is the USA, not Canada. Listening to part of this podcast at times sounded like listening to Liberals whinging about the effect of overturning Roe v Wade on Canadian abortion laws.
In the past few months in Canada (just off the top of my head), right up to this very week we have seen the Dallas Brodie fiasco, Dundas subway station being re-named, Carney insisting on 50-50 M/F representation in his cabinet (maybe that was Erskine-Smith’s downfall – he should have self-identified as a female!) and an Ontario election in which only Bonnie Crombie spoke to the ongoing disgrace that is the Sir John A statue being vertically entombed at Queen’s Park (visitors from France that stumble upon it must think it’s Canada’s perverse answer to Napoleon being horizontally entombed for public viewing at Les Invalides in Paris). And we have the very real looming threat of Carney reviving the worst of Junior’s censorship legislation to tamp down on “misinformation” which you KNOW will consist of anything that challenges woke beliefs. I just do not see a pendulum swing at all in Canada.
I don’t disagree with the suggestion that there is a population of Canadians who embrace and embody the worst aspects of the MAGA backlash to woke but (a) they are relatively few and (b) as far as I can tell, outside of Quebec, none of them are even close to having their hands on the grip of power – and even in Quebec the legislative backlash seems to be confined to religion (not a Quebec resident so definitely stand to be corrected on that). And the latter point is determinative for me. Until you have someone in actual power who has the radical, illiberal, anti-woke views there is no chance of the pendulum swinging too far.
So yeah, we need to be alert to the possibility of a pendulum swinging too far, but not until it gets anywhere close to equilibrium and/or a Trump-like figure ascends to power in Canada. The former is a long way off to my eyes and the latter seems inconceivable to me. YMMV as the kids say.
No pendulum-swinging in my workplace. That said, I feel I can safely miss the first 10 minutes of a meeting because that's about the amount of time it takes for land acknowledgments and pronoun mentions. One day, I may declare my pronouns as who and whose. But I'll have to be at the don't give a fuck stage of employment because it would likely result in disciplinary action.
Try using hey/you. Looks great in an email.
Me / Myself / I
👍👍👍💪
Nah, who/whose channels Abbott and Costello so is much more fun 🤣
Jen - love the shirt! Also, I did a similar tour as you but in a different order - born in Toronto (& named Jen), lots of family still in Niagara and GTA, grew up in Kelowna, been in Alberta for 33 years now (had to do the thing). Alas, I did not spring for the “lived abroad” upgrade. But I do live only 10 minutes from Donut Mill, so, y’know… I have that going for me.
Wow the "pendulum swing" is going to be even more extreme than the woke era? I'm excited! So instead of woke cancellation mobs, land acknowledgements, pronouns, feminist foreign policy, pride flags, BLM, diversity statements, minority hiring quotas, drag queen story time, will we get - Family Values flags flying from every institution? Traditional morality, heirarchy, and the glory of Western Civilization relentlessly pushed in k-12? Patriarchal nationalism as our foreign policy? Patriotic loyalty statements for all higher ed applications? Toppled statues of John A. MacDonald replaced with towering monuments to our colonial triumphs? Mainstream newsrooms across the nation seized by militant right wing youth cadres? If we do not see a Canadian Joseph McCarthy 2.0 arise to stamp out the commies, I am going to be PISSED, and I will blame both of you personally.
1:04 Canada's woke element may be much more deeply embedded in our government bureaucracy and education system (primary to graduate). They will continue to set the standards for participation with and service by those bodies. We also have deep woke in the unions and professional bodies of those organizations.
The hole that needs filling is awfully deep.
...... woke element IS much more deeply embedded .....
The "pendulum" will not swing on that atrocity for another 20 years.
Podcast #278: The Scourge of the ‘Woke Right’
Quillette, Andrew Doyle
Good podcast. That's my comment.
You talked about representation based on population per riding. I’m ok with the discussion and agree.
My problem with representation is because of our first past the post voting system. I think proportional representation can be an improvement. I would like to hear a podcast about this topic. Have you done one in the past? If not, will you?
Proportional representation in Canada is guaranteed to worsen our already severely malfunctioning political machinery. You want to fix something ?
Rewrite our twisted and unfair constitution first. All kinds of malaise in this country stems directly from that document. Impossible, you say ?
Yeah, well the fact that it is just about impossible to do anything sensible in this country is one of the reasons why Canada is already partly down the shithole, with absolutely no prospect of arresting the degeneration.
Do you understand that the Liberals are the party that historically have been most over-represented in the current First-Past-the-Post electoral system? That would be why, of course, Trudeau lied in promising to replace the system: he wanted the Liberals to keep advantaging themselves from the status-quo.
The weird thing Torontonians do is talk about where they live by intersection.
Hold on!
I really, really opposed the idea of mail in ballots when that method came in. I still hate it! The problems that you identified are the responsibility of the idiots who used that method.
Too much? Truly, I think not.
My first prescription for the problem is to eliminate mail in ballots. And, Dear God!, don't get me started on prospective internet voting. Thankfully that isn't here yet.
If you - foolishly - choose to keep mail in ballots - foolish you! - make it so that it is the absolute responsibility of the elector to ensure that the ballot is received by the proper Elections Canada office absolutely no later than the end of voting on election day. The responsibility is absolutely on the elector; in other words, no issues of wrong address, wrong postal code, etc.
Oh, yeah, and the ridings of which you referenced this time? Tough!
If, on the other hand, it is decided to re-run the election in those ridings, do something that Carney did not do with the cabinet: fire the Chief Electoral Officer. Someone has to carry the can. Someone is ultimately responsible for bad postal codes, votes not counted, etc. Someone needs to pay the "ultimate" price.
You think an elector should confirm the postal code on self-addressed envelopes? Do you do that on other items of mail?
Actually, I don't really care if they confirm the postal code.
What I do care about is that if they want to vote by mail it is on them in all respects to ensure that it arrives in the right place within the time limits.
Put differently, I think mail in ballots and (God forbid!) potential internet voting are all rife for fraud and accusations for fraud, not to mention accidents and human error. Therefore I put all the responsibility for deviating from the in person system on the person who wants that alternate way of voting.
My beef with mail-in ballots and heaven forbid, the prospects of voting electronically is the loss of a secret ballot. The secret ballot is an integral part of a free and fair election. We all get a ballot and we get to go off into a corner and make our choice with nobody looking over our shoulder.
I think seniors, women and barely voting age kids living in multi generational households are prime targets for obtaining a coercive vote out of a mail in ballot.
Terrifically good perspective.
It is possibly the only option for some people, particularly when an election is called on short notice. Elections Canada has one job. I wonder how many envelopes were sent out with the wrong postal code. This was obviously a mistake that they caught and corrected. Otherwise, all ballots would have had the wrong postal code on them. So why didn't they make a number of announcements saying, hey, confirm the postal code on the return envelopes because we fucked up. That's what really pisses me about this whole thing. They knew. They chose not to disclose it.
The possibility for fraud with mail-in ballots is no more greater than with in-person voting. You cannot be granted access to a mail-in ballot without just as much ID as you would need to have on hand for voting in-person. It is easy to imagine mail-in ballots being intercepted and tampered with, but the people who want to do so would not be able to find out who is sending the mail and from where...
32:37 In Innovative Medicine Canada's ad. They need to review their ad copy and update it for relevance post-election. We've had our "change election" and, nothing's changed.