The thing is, Canadians are great at criticizing the US and it's flaws, but tend to pull their punches when it comes to Canada. Don Cherry was canceled years before Jimmy Kimmel for instance. Canada is the country with human rights tribunals that punish speech, not the US.
Canada would be a better place if Canadians were confident enough to hold Canada to the same standard they hold the US.
As for classical liberal free speech advocates, they will tell you that you aren't for free speech if you want to stop speech you don't like.
Here is a friendly challenge: On the next weekend podcast, make no mention of the US in any form (including and especially tariffs or Trump). And every time either of you mentions the US, take a shot.
Great suggestion. I’d suggest that if the comment about the U.S. is preceded by the statement that “the hosts usually avoid commenting on US issues because they have no unique insight” that they each consume a double. Should be some red hot podcasting by the end.
Make it a shot of bourbon. Jen can get it in her home province. In Ontario Matt is SOL😆😆😆. And don’t either of you forget your deodorant if you have to raise your elbows…
Apologies if the podcast covers this, but what on earth is the "woke right"? Transexuals who want a balanced budget? LGBQs for pipelines? Climate change activists for Israel?
These are the folks that adopt the oppressor and oppressed binary of the woke, but they see DEI and "woke" policies as being the oppression of white people and/or males. They may include Asians trying to get past racial quotas to go to university, or other "merit-seeking" groups.
Building on Ken's explanation, I see it as using some of the more recent terms applied to the left (woke, cancel, politically correct, virtual signalling, etc.) to describe similarly self-righteous, censorious behaviour by the right. The behaviours themselves are nothing new, though. I think of the 9/11 and Iraq War era that preceded the rise of the Tea Party movement in the US - such as when The Dixie Chicks were boycotted for their criticism of George W. Bush/being insufficiently patriotic. Language policing has deep roots even if the current terms we use come from recent popculture related to leftists/progressives.
I think you both have taken bleach to your memories about how far the Biden and Trudeau administrations went to undermine people's ability to express themselves. Ask Tamara Linch. The most accurate comment on this contrasted the response of the left to a criminal drug addict being arrested against the murder on live television of a family man; one group destroyed and stole, the other group came together in support of each other. We are not the same.
On a separate note you excused Carney's (intentional) misrepresenting of the current gun confiscation as "he can't know every file". Well he damn sure better know a file that is confiscating the legal property of a million or more Canadians (it ain't about any voluntary donation to the government), never mind the example it sets. Like your gas pickup truck, well maybe Carney decides you ought not have that anymore. Bye-bye.
You need to actually listen to Danielle Smith a LOT more. Whether you like her or not, whomever is advising her is spot on in their evaluation of the intended, unintended, and hidden consequences of current federal government actions.
I second the reference to the bleach. Additionally I find it extremely concerning that vast numbers of voters are voluntarily bleaching their memories re. Trudeau and Carney. Just a reminder: The Filthy Rich Carney of Massive Conflicts Of Interest, The GodEmperor and Prime Minister of Greenology Grifting Bullshit.
The Carney of the Carney's Chiiickkken Sshhiit Up-Down dance. That Carney.
If anyone expect that this extremely overrated grand shyster and overhyped paperrat is going to right Canadian economy let alone anything else, they are entitled to their hallucinations.
Canadians give the left and Liberals the benefit of the doubt consistently that must drive conservatives bonkers. It's like Canadians just can't help themselves.
I wonder if your wording is deliberately in code, for polite reasons. I have pondered this Canadian thing on and off for a couple of decades. I do not think Canadians realize how long-term subtle brainwashing works, except those who direct such activities. When I recall my observations over the last 40+years, Conservatives and private business and private industry never ever got a fair shake from the MSM and CBC; the disparity being about 1 : 10 in favour of things preferred by the "Liberals" and their ideological associates. So what developed in the population is pretty much a one-way thinking where questioning the prevailing narratives and prevailing points of view is undesirable. A major factor in creating this type of Canadian mindset is a several generations of population brainwashing by Canadian Brainwashing-to-the-left Corporation and by MSM.
I reject without reservation if someone says that this was not deliberate.
This also happened in the Scandinavian countries, although they have grown skeptical much faster that Canadians.
People, even relatively smart ones, think of propaganda as something obvious. Huge North Korean style banners of the Great Leader, aggressive Hitlerian radio broadcasts and speeches ranting and raving against clearly fake internal enemies. "I wouldn't be fooled!" they tell themselves.
But it's not like that. It never is. The most effective propaganda is (obviously!) tailored to its audience. In Canada it's calm tones and big intellectual words, said by very well-spoken, reasonable sounding people with lots of credentials.
It's the news media nudging the narrative slowly but clearly in one direction at every turn, on every story. Oh, they would never TELL you what to believe, but here's an expert we found to inform you how dangerous the American Style Right Wing Position on this particular issue is. Here's a story that discusses how conservatives might just hate women more than you think. Another gang shooting? Is it time for another ban on guns, or do we want to be like America? Let's talk about abortion some more. Here are some laughable hicks who like to drive gas guzzling pickup trucks and don't like our environment saving EV mandates. So backwards, tsk tsk. Hey check out these anti-vaxxers. Hey remember the Freedom Convoy? Wasn't that the worst thing that ever happened in Canadian history? Here's the latest crazy shit Donald Trump is doing, presented in the worst way possible, and btw we have Trump supporters here and they all vote one way! Liberal scandal? They stole how much? Uh, on to the next story about Trump! Elbows up everyone!
(Edit: come to think of it, you can pretty much assume that whenever you see a comparison between Canada and the US in the media where Canada comes out on top, you are probably looking at pro-government propaganda. Our advantages are few and already very well-known. Our disadvantages are many and significantly downplayed.)
Come on. I get tired of the US coverage because I think The Line lacks insight it has in Canada. And it shows here.
1) The cancel culture under Biden absolutely used state power. In some very heavy-handed ways.
Remember Bidens laptop? NYP was kicked off social media during an election! Remember how many people were removed by govt fiat for vaccine skepticism/conspiracy?
Hell, remember how many people were cancelled around trans and other social issues? These were not just social media companies acting alone. The Twitter Files showed the Biden admin was DIRECTLY liasing with these companies to push these policies. Go look up what Zuckerberg said on FB being pressured (and going along).
Tell me which you think, to date, is worse?
2) What cancel culture was the first time was people being canceled for things they'd said years ago. It was ppl who sang along to a rap song and said the N word when they were 16. Where is that?
3) What the hell is the woke right? Where are pronoun equivalents, DEI initiatives, socially transformative policy? Btw, DEI (under new names) is alive and very well at every large institution, friends and family work at.
You need a new word. The right isn't woke. This is lazy. Censorious, hypocritical, whatever. But woke? No.
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There are many many justified criticisms of Trump, the right... the hypocrisy, bad policy etc. This is not a defense of anyone.
At the same time... Damn the memory holing here and lazy equivalents drive me crazy.
While I don't condone cancelling, Jimmy Kimmel had reprehensible views with no place in a civilized society, and frankly had it coming. We still do not know the motivations of those who cancelled him, and blaming "the right" is very irresponsible and raises the temperature. Also, reports indicate the cancellers were far-left radicals who were angry with him for being insufficiently progressive.
Jimmy Kimmel is a sanctimonious fool. I despise him. I believe he should have been fired due to piss poor ratings. But… these were the comments from the head of the FCC.
“This is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney. We can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct and take action, frankly, on Kimmel or there is going to be additional work for the FCC ahead,”
This is far more disturbing and dangerous to me than anything Kimmel said.
I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before last week. Watching some of his videos elicited a big yawn. His death is tragic, but not uniquely so.
Im concerned not only by the weaponization of the FCC but that content is still within FCC preview. Jimmy Kimmel can easily move to podcasting much like other supposedly controversial figures have ready done, Tucker Carlson for example. The FCC has no jurisdiction over podcasts and the world hasn't ended. Why should it continue to have any jurisdiction beyond frequency allocation? Seems like an obvious target for DOGE.
Canada almost went down the slippery slope of bringing podcasts under the CRTC.
If it is true that Charlie Kirk wasn't widely known outside a particular social circle, then why is his murder often reported as an assassination? Words are important because there is an emotional charge attached; assassination implies a certain social/political/financial standing. If a multibillionaire responsible for an empire that employed hundreds of thousands was killed by someone, would that be labelled an assassination or a murder? I guess it depends on the writer or the editor's perspective on the definition and the person.
Good stuff, guys. Watching the reactions to the FCC involvement in Kimmel's demise has been something to see. Anyone who does not condemn that BS with the same level of ferocity with which they attacked the woke fanatics is really telling on themselves. Thankfully FIRE (among other individuals) is again proving themselves to be a beacon on free speech. God bless 'em.
I thought Richard Hanania's substack column today comparing and contrasting the antics and impact of the woke fanatics versus the right-wing fanatics/Trump administration was terrific and highly recommend it to all. (And I again suggest that you guys have him on your Tuesday podcast at some point - as a commentator on goings-on in the USA he is both more intellectually honest and more insightful than at least 95% of the people playing in that sand box.) https://www.richardhanania.com/p/power-is-power
You are assuming that Carney will not make good use of Bob Rae and Ralph Goodale, both of whom are very balanced and able politicians. I personally hope they are not "retiring" even though they are "oldsters"
I WILL say it. From what I have seen of Ralph Goodale over the years made me turf him into the bin labelled "promiscuous harlots". If that to you is a very balanced and able politician I will not argue with you.
IMO “balanced” means being able to pivot on a dime. An essential qualification for a Liberal Cabinet minister. Reminds me of the question “What do a politician and a porn star have in common? They can both quickly change positions in front of a camera”.🙄
I merely report the experience of the professional civil servants who worked with Goodale, over the years; and I have no reason to doubt their organizational skills. As for Rae, I worked for and against his handiwork and was "in government" both to help implement it, and, under the Harris government to undo much of it. Rae was very talented, but got a fluke win and had to scramble in the deteriorating economic situation that he faced. Harris ran a far more focused government.
Harris has been uninvolved for many years. Kenny is a very able and thoughtful politician; and I do not quarrel with your assessment of the former PM...or the way in which the economy has been mismanaged over the last 10 years.
It's plausible that they're just replacing Rae because they need to free up a plum patronage spot. It might just be a coincidence that they are replacing a particularly pro-Israel Liberal foreign policy appointee (a guy who left the NDP and joined the Liberals over the NDP's anti-Israel positions) right when they are taking a more anti-Israel position even than Trudeau did, including changing the way they vote at the U.N.
With regards to "which side is worse", I think it's useful to think of the old expression about a recession vs. a depression... a recession is when your neighbour loses his job and a depression is when you lose yours. The cancellations by the left were worse if you were fired for wrong think a few years ago and defaulted on your mortgage. But if it's happening to you now, then the right is worse.
And about using the power of the state... that's not new to the Trump administration. Right here in Canada we allowed a man named Jessica Yaniv to drag several women through the courts because they wouldn't wax his genitals... which were male genitals obviously and you can see why they didn't want to do that. That's the power of the state weaponized in the culture war by the trans side. And remember Amy Hamm? The power of the state sure got weaponized against her for daring to state her opinion outside of work on an issue of public concern... because it was the view considered "wrong" by one side of the culture war that happened to control that arm of the state.
Is it "worse" now?
Answer: it depends on who is doing it to YOU.
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But at least I can feel superior about how most everyone is a hypocrite on free speech and was always lying when they say they support free speech right? 🤦♂️
You can tell if someone who is lying (if only to themselves) about how they believe in free speech by seeing what they say about "hate speech". We are and have always been hypocrites on this. "Nice" speech doesn't need protection. The speech from the guy making horrible, nasty and yes, hateful comments? Defending the right to say that is what defending free speech is.
Defending things that everyone agrees is good to say? Worthless.
The thing is, Canadians are great at criticizing the US and it's flaws, but tend to pull their punches when it comes to Canada. Don Cherry was canceled years before Jimmy Kimmel for instance. Canada is the country with human rights tribunals that punish speech, not the US.
Canada would be a better place if Canadians were confident enough to hold Canada to the same standard they hold the US.
As for classical liberal free speech advocates, they will tell you that you aren't for free speech if you want to stop speech you don't like.
“If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.”
― Noam Chomsky
Here is a friendly challenge: On the next weekend podcast, make no mention of the US in any form (including and especially tariffs or Trump). And every time either of you mentions the US, take a shot.
Great suggestion. I’d suggest that if the comment about the U.S. is preceded by the statement that “the hosts usually avoid commenting on US issues because they have no unique insight” that they each consume a double. Should be some red hot podcasting by the end.
Make it a shot of bourbon. Jen can get it in her home province. In Ontario Matt is SOL😆😆😆. And don’t either of you forget your deodorant if you have to raise your elbows…
Apologies if the podcast covers this, but what on earth is the "woke right"? Transexuals who want a balanced budget? LGBQs for pipelines? Climate change activists for Israel?
These are the folks that adopt the oppressor and oppressed binary of the woke, but they see DEI and "woke" policies as being the oppression of white people and/or males. They may include Asians trying to get past racial quotas to go to university, or other "merit-seeking" groups.
Thank you for the explanation.
Building on Ken's explanation, I see it as using some of the more recent terms applied to the left (woke, cancel, politically correct, virtual signalling, etc.) to describe similarly self-righteous, censorious behaviour by the right. The behaviours themselves are nothing new, though. I think of the 9/11 and Iraq War era that preceded the rise of the Tea Party movement in the US - such as when The Dixie Chicks were boycotted for their criticism of George W. Bush/being insufficiently patriotic. Language policing has deep roots even if the current terms we use come from recent popculture related to leftists/progressives.
And the ironic part is that the Dixie Chicks dropped Dixie from their name afterwards.
Thank you. I guess we are all human.
Comment of the day right here :-D
I think you both have taken bleach to your memories about how far the Biden and Trudeau administrations went to undermine people's ability to express themselves. Ask Tamara Linch. The most accurate comment on this contrasted the response of the left to a criminal drug addict being arrested against the murder on live television of a family man; one group destroyed and stole, the other group came together in support of each other. We are not the same.
On a separate note you excused Carney's (intentional) misrepresenting of the current gun confiscation as "he can't know every file". Well he damn sure better know a file that is confiscating the legal property of a million or more Canadians (it ain't about any voluntary donation to the government), never mind the example it sets. Like your gas pickup truck, well maybe Carney decides you ought not have that anymore. Bye-bye.
You need to actually listen to Danielle Smith a LOT more. Whether you like her or not, whomever is advising her is spot on in their evaluation of the intended, unintended, and hidden consequences of current federal government actions.
I second the reference to the bleach. Additionally I find it extremely concerning that vast numbers of voters are voluntarily bleaching their memories re. Trudeau and Carney. Just a reminder: The Filthy Rich Carney of Massive Conflicts Of Interest, The GodEmperor and Prime Minister of Greenology Grifting Bullshit.
The Carney of the Carney's Chiiickkken Sshhiit Up-Down dance. That Carney.
If anyone expect that this extremely overrated grand shyster and overhyped paperrat is going to right Canadian economy let alone anything else, they are entitled to their hallucinations.
Canadians give the left and Liberals the benefit of the doubt consistently that must drive conservatives bonkers. It's like Canadians just can't help themselves.
I wonder if your wording is deliberately in code, for polite reasons. I have pondered this Canadian thing on and off for a couple of decades. I do not think Canadians realize how long-term subtle brainwashing works, except those who direct such activities. When I recall my observations over the last 40+years, Conservatives and private business and private industry never ever got a fair shake from the MSM and CBC; the disparity being about 1 : 10 in favour of things preferred by the "Liberals" and their ideological associates. So what developed in the population is pretty much a one-way thinking where questioning the prevailing narratives and prevailing points of view is undesirable. A major factor in creating this type of Canadian mindset is a several generations of population brainwashing by Canadian Brainwashing-to-the-left Corporation and by MSM.
I reject without reservation if someone says that this was not deliberate.
This also happened in the Scandinavian countries, although they have grown skeptical much faster that Canadians.
People, even relatively smart ones, think of propaganda as something obvious. Huge North Korean style banners of the Great Leader, aggressive Hitlerian radio broadcasts and speeches ranting and raving against clearly fake internal enemies. "I wouldn't be fooled!" they tell themselves.
But it's not like that. It never is. The most effective propaganda is (obviously!) tailored to its audience. In Canada it's calm tones and big intellectual words, said by very well-spoken, reasonable sounding people with lots of credentials.
It's the news media nudging the narrative slowly but clearly in one direction at every turn, on every story. Oh, they would never TELL you what to believe, but here's an expert we found to inform you how dangerous the American Style Right Wing Position on this particular issue is. Here's a story that discusses how conservatives might just hate women more than you think. Another gang shooting? Is it time for another ban on guns, or do we want to be like America? Let's talk about abortion some more. Here are some laughable hicks who like to drive gas guzzling pickup trucks and don't like our environment saving EV mandates. So backwards, tsk tsk. Hey check out these anti-vaxxers. Hey remember the Freedom Convoy? Wasn't that the worst thing that ever happened in Canadian history? Here's the latest crazy shit Donald Trump is doing, presented in the worst way possible, and btw we have Trump supporters here and they all vote one way! Liberal scandal? They stole how much? Uh, on to the next story about Trump! Elbows up everyone!
(Edit: come to think of it, you can pretty much assume that whenever you see a comparison between Canada and the US in the media where Canada comes out on top, you are probably looking at pro-government propaganda. Our advantages are few and already very well-known. Our disadvantages are many and significantly downplayed.)
A very good description of how it is still going on.
Memory bleaching. I learned a new term today.
Come on. I get tired of the US coverage because I think The Line lacks insight it has in Canada. And it shows here.
1) The cancel culture under Biden absolutely used state power. In some very heavy-handed ways.
Remember Bidens laptop? NYP was kicked off social media during an election! Remember how many people were removed by govt fiat for vaccine skepticism/conspiracy?
Hell, remember how many people were cancelled around trans and other social issues? These were not just social media companies acting alone. The Twitter Files showed the Biden admin was DIRECTLY liasing with these companies to push these policies. Go look up what Zuckerberg said on FB being pressured (and going along).
Tell me which you think, to date, is worse?
2) What cancel culture was the first time was people being canceled for things they'd said years ago. It was ppl who sang along to a rap song and said the N word when they were 16. Where is that?
3) What the hell is the woke right? Where are pronoun equivalents, DEI initiatives, socially transformative policy? Btw, DEI (under new names) is alive and very well at every large institution, friends and family work at.
You need a new word. The right isn't woke. This is lazy. Censorious, hypocritical, whatever. But woke? No.
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There are many many justified criticisms of Trump, the right... the hypocrisy, bad policy etc. This is not a defense of anyone.
At the same time... Damn the memory holing here and lazy equivalents drive me crazy.
Good points. Sometimes one side is as bad as the other, indeed.
I think too they're bad in different ways. There is overlap but also a forgetting of the past.
While I don't condone cancelling, Jimmy Kimmel had reprehensible views with no place in a civilized society, and frankly had it coming. We still do not know the motivations of those who cancelled him, and blaming "the right" is very irresponsible and raises the temperature. Also, reports indicate the cancellers were far-left radicals who were angry with him for being insufficiently progressive.
Jimmy Kimmel is a sanctimonious fool. I despise him. I believe he should have been fired due to piss poor ratings. But… these were the comments from the head of the FCC.
“This is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney. We can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct and take action, frankly, on Kimmel or there is going to be additional work for the FCC ahead,”
This is far more disturbing and dangerous to me than anything Kimmel said.
The expression you might be looking for is “Kicked upstairs “
I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before last week. Watching some of his videos elicited a big yawn. His death is tragic, but not uniquely so.
Im concerned not only by the weaponization of the FCC but that content is still within FCC preview. Jimmy Kimmel can easily move to podcasting much like other supposedly controversial figures have ready done, Tucker Carlson for example. The FCC has no jurisdiction over podcasts and the world hasn't ended. Why should it continue to have any jurisdiction beyond frequency allocation? Seems like an obvious target for DOGE.
Canada almost went down the slippery slope of bringing podcasts under the CRTC.
Yes, Kimmel could move to podcasting, but it's not just about him. Everyone who worked on his show is now out of a job. :-(
It's called technology
If it is true that Charlie Kirk wasn't widely known outside a particular social circle, then why is his murder often reported as an assassination? Words are important because there is an emotional charge attached; assassination implies a certain social/political/financial standing. If a multibillionaire responsible for an empire that employed hundreds of thousands was killed by someone, would that be labelled an assassination or a murder? I guess it depends on the writer or the editor's perspective on the definition and the person.
For me, sniper = assassin
Good stuff, guys. Watching the reactions to the FCC involvement in Kimmel's demise has been something to see. Anyone who does not condemn that BS with the same level of ferocity with which they attacked the woke fanatics is really telling on themselves. Thankfully FIRE (among other individuals) is again proving themselves to be a beacon on free speech. God bless 'em.
I thought Richard Hanania's substack column today comparing and contrasting the antics and impact of the woke fanatics versus the right-wing fanatics/Trump administration was terrific and highly recommend it to all. (And I again suggest that you guys have him on your Tuesday podcast at some point - as a commentator on goings-on in the USA he is both more intellectually honest and more insightful than at least 95% of the people playing in that sand box.) https://www.richardhanania.com/p/power-is-power
I heard of rumor of Guilbault joining the patronage club. Hope it is true😊
I want Geebo to be compelled to daily street sweeping in public for the next 10 years.
Nah. He can pedal a generator to reduce Canada's GHG emissions by 0.000001%
RE Jimmy Kimmel, Jen said that Trump would go after comedians first. It looks like she was right
You are assuming that Carney will not make good use of Bob Rae and Ralph Goodale, both of whom are very balanced and able politicians. I personally hope they are not "retiring" even though they are "oldsters"
I WILL say it. From what I have seen of Ralph Goodale over the years made me turf him into the bin labelled "promiscuous harlots". If that to you is a very balanced and able politician I will not argue with you.
IMO “balanced” means being able to pivot on a dime. An essential qualification for a Liberal Cabinet minister. Reminds me of the question “What do a politician and a porn star have in common? They can both quickly change positions in front of a camera”.🙄
I merely report the experience of the professional civil servants who worked with Goodale, over the years; and I have no reason to doubt their organizational skills. As for Rae, I worked for and against his handiwork and was "in government" both to help implement it, and, under the Harris government to undo much of it. Rae was very talented, but got a fluke win and had to scramble in the deteriorating economic situation that he faced. Harris ran a far more focused government.
I'd rather see people like Mike Harris and Jason Kenney. Canada needs massive austerity at the federal level
Harris has been uninvolved for many years. Kenny is a very able and thoughtful politician; and I do not quarrel with your assessment of the former PM...or the way in which the economy has been mismanaged over the last 10 years.
Bob Rae was a disaster as Premier of Ontario. How did that morph into "able politician"?
Through the lens of naivety.
It's plausible that they're just replacing Rae because they need to free up a plum patronage spot. It might just be a coincidence that they are replacing a particularly pro-Israel Liberal foreign policy appointee (a guy who left the NDP and joined the Liberals over the NDP's anti-Israel positions) right when they are taking a more anti-Israel position even than Trudeau did, including changing the way they vote at the U.N.
Re: appointments. Better they’re inside the ‘tent’ pissing out than outside pissing in (LBJ).
I think maybe the term you are looking for that describes getting rid of someone without firing them is “constructive dismissal “.
That's actually getting rid of them though. "Kick Upstairs" is the idiom to re-locate them out of your office.
With regards to "which side is worse", I think it's useful to think of the old expression about a recession vs. a depression... a recession is when your neighbour loses his job and a depression is when you lose yours. The cancellations by the left were worse if you were fired for wrong think a few years ago and defaulted on your mortgage. But if it's happening to you now, then the right is worse.
And about using the power of the state... that's not new to the Trump administration. Right here in Canada we allowed a man named Jessica Yaniv to drag several women through the courts because they wouldn't wax his genitals... which were male genitals obviously and you can see why they didn't want to do that. That's the power of the state weaponized in the culture war by the trans side. And remember Amy Hamm? The power of the state sure got weaponized against her for daring to state her opinion outside of work on an issue of public concern... because it was the view considered "wrong" by one side of the culture war that happened to control that arm of the state.
Is it "worse" now?
Answer: it depends on who is doing it to YOU.
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But at least I can feel superior about how most everyone is a hypocrite on free speech and was always lying when they say they support free speech right? 🤦♂️
You can tell if someone who is lying (if only to themselves) about how they believe in free speech by seeing what they say about "hate speech". We are and have always been hypocrites on this. "Nice" speech doesn't need protection. The speech from the guy making horrible, nasty and yes, hateful comments? Defending the right to say that is what defending free speech is.
Defending things that everyone agrees is good to say? Worthless.
Yeah, this is the episode where I left the train. I wish you well on your journey to becoming the Canadian equivalent to The Bulwark.
Very much looking (listening?) forward to Jen & Matt’s views on Carney’s announcement that “Today Canada recognises the State of Palestine”.
Guess those conditions weren’t so firm after all.