The problem we’ve seen with technocracy over the past couple of decades is they are far too credulous of the models they’re using. They have trouble recognizing that the models are failing, and they don’t know how to reconcile them with reality.
I think the root is the people using the models (sometimes a theoretical construct, sometimes a mathematical model) don’t understand the assumptions that went into them or the limits of validation. You’ll see this frequently in science and engineering: an inexperienced person uses a model to generate some result or design that looks persuasive but turns out to be sometimes disastrously incorrect. Why? The model didn’t have the right physics, or they were extrapolating beyond the valid limits. Still, it looks fancy, contains a lot of detail, therefore *seems* like it should be correct!
If progressives have been more susceptible to the allure of technocracy, it’s because they’re heirs to the old leftist obsession with central planning. Mitigating this problem requires more humility on the part of experts, and also genuine expertise about how things work as opposed to a knowledge of how somebody else has explained their workings.
Idk if there's any other candidate, but Carney will carry a singular baggage he has to carry: BoC. BoC Governor can claim that they're independent from politics.
However, when a former BoC Governor runs as politician, they will be fair game.
It's one thing to claim that in the comfort of BoC building or business conference, facing business journalists or bankers. Another thing to face an average Joe and Jane in the eyes during town hall and explain why it is good that their mortgage payment goes up 50%, their salary shouldn't go up, and even better if some of them lose their jobs.
Trudeau demonstrates daily what kind of a calamitous national mistake he is. Hopefully he buries the Lieberal party for a generation. MSM and CBC ( Hi, Jen) have been coating him in teflon even before his election as PM, these late days less so. One my prayers for him do disappear as a politician will be answered.
Maybe this is just the perspective of someone who was the target of Bosnian ethnic cleansing, but there is a big difference between those who rape and pillage and those who are bombing them back so they don't do it again. Irrespective of property claims, everyone deserve the right to exist and the right to defend themselves. Palestinians do not have exclusives rights to former British controlled and Ottoman lands. There is little daylight between anti-Semitism and those who claim Jewish people don't have a right to land or defending themselves.
At this juncture of a looming crisis within the Liberal Caucus and wider membership, Mr. Carney is a useful ally for those seeking a leadership change ASAP. Carney would be the atypical Liberal establishment candidate deluxe. (Including the bilingual option from the ROC, in keeping with some unwritten code of practice.)
As a casual observer to the broader mess, I have to wonder what would make the leadership of the Liberal Party attractive at this time? As The Line Editors have noted, the 2015 version of government is not fit for purpose today. What is needed is a reboot back to fiscal responsibility, “deliveroligy” that executes, wholesale cleansing of DEI in government operations and formulation of a military and foreign policy strategy that restores credibility with our allies.
Mr. Carney is a money man, accustomed to corporate environments and reaping the financial benefits of his expertise. Why he would leave those comforts to take on what could become a humiliating election defeat and rebuilding of the Liberal Party isn’t apparent. It certainly doesn’t seem to be a turnkey ascendancy to power to me.
i think Catherine Tait won the cage match......the two PC members who kept dog whistling the $ 1.4 billion comment were obviously aiming for the “gotcha” moment and you two have managed to help them along. it’s time that’s we stopped supporting these dramatic bar fights and start expecting our politicians to be reasonable adults . if the Conservative Party is actually believing the polls that suggest they will be the next governing body then they need to start acting like they know how to govern and stop trying to score points.
Another thought provoking podcast. I would like to raise three points. With respect to the protests and their professionalism, I have lately been wondering why lawmakers have not addressed the targeting of Jewish places of worship, businesses, community organizations, schools and neighbourhoods. We have laws that establish safe zones outside of women’s reproductive health facilities, a good thing, why not have safe zones outside of identifiable ethnic or religious place of worship, etc.? On the CBC, the contempt Ms Tait showed for the committee was palpable. In terms of the CBC’s editorial choices, as far as I can tell (I listen to the morning CBC radio broadcast and look at the news app), the CBC has not been covering the ArriveCan and GC Strategy stories. The committee hearings have been riveting and this is an important story. Happy to be corrected, but between one thing and another they are certainly making themselves vulnerable to the charge that their coverage is overtly political.
To stay with the 'C' words - Catherine Tait is playing checkers while the Conservatives are playing chess. I don't think the Conservatives are very good chess players, but sadly, they don't need to be good when others are playing a different game.
Like you, I thought the op-ed calling for the Liberals to return to fiscal conservatism was interesting. I'm not sure, though, whether the denizen's of this generation of the Liberal Party of Canada are the sort who would favour--or even understand the need for--fiscal conservatism.
WRT Mark Carney, yes, I would support such a candidacy, but would Canadians vote for Mark Carney over Pierre Poilievre? The man is nearly 20 years older (and I hardly think that younger Canadians are immune to the "Boomer Hate" that has swept through the United States).
On the carbon tax, I'm very disappointed that the one thing that Trudeau's government got right on the fiscal side (not to mention the environmental side) has now been turned into political fodder. We need to get our country on track to lower GHG emissions. Abolishing the tax will put us on the wrong track.
The Line Podcast: The Three Curses of Justin Trudeau: Carbon Tax, Costumes, and Carney
Completely comprehensive circuitous cacophonic commentary creating comedic conclusions concerning categorically Canadian collection of cataclysmically clueless cock-ups calamitously compromising continued coherent Canuck civilization.
Classic.
Congratulations.
The problem we’ve seen with technocracy over the past couple of decades is they are far too credulous of the models they’re using. They have trouble recognizing that the models are failing, and they don’t know how to reconcile them with reality.
I think the root is the people using the models (sometimes a theoretical construct, sometimes a mathematical model) don’t understand the assumptions that went into them or the limits of validation. You’ll see this frequently in science and engineering: an inexperienced person uses a model to generate some result or design that looks persuasive but turns out to be sometimes disastrously incorrect. Why? The model didn’t have the right physics, or they were extrapolating beyond the valid limits. Still, it looks fancy, contains a lot of detail, therefore *seems* like it should be correct!
If progressives have been more susceptible to the allure of technocracy, it’s because they’re heirs to the old leftist obsession with central planning. Mitigating this problem requires more humility on the part of experts, and also genuine expertise about how things work as opposed to a knowledge of how somebody else has explained their workings.
Idk if there's any other candidate, but Carney will carry a singular baggage he has to carry: BoC. BoC Governor can claim that they're independent from politics.
However, when a former BoC Governor runs as politician, they will be fair game.
It's one thing to claim that in the comfort of BoC building or business conference, facing business journalists or bankers. Another thing to face an average Joe and Jane in the eyes during town hall and explain why it is good that their mortgage payment goes up 50%, their salary shouldn't go up, and even better if some of them lose their jobs.
Trudeau demonstrates daily what kind of a calamitous national mistake he is. Hopefully he buries the Lieberal party for a generation. MSM and CBC ( Hi, Jen) have been coating him in teflon even before his election as PM, these late days less so. One my prayers for him do disappear as a politician will be answered.
Maybe this is just the perspective of someone who was the target of Bosnian ethnic cleansing, but there is a big difference between those who rape and pillage and those who are bombing them back so they don't do it again. Irrespective of property claims, everyone deserve the right to exist and the right to defend themselves. Palestinians do not have exclusives rights to former British controlled and Ottoman lands. There is little daylight between anti-Semitism and those who claim Jewish people don't have a right to land or defending themselves.
As for Trudeau resigning I can only say please stay on so we, the voting public, can fire your sorry butt in the next election.
At this juncture of a looming crisis within the Liberal Caucus and wider membership, Mr. Carney is a useful ally for those seeking a leadership change ASAP. Carney would be the atypical Liberal establishment candidate deluxe. (Including the bilingual option from the ROC, in keeping with some unwritten code of practice.)
As a casual observer to the broader mess, I have to wonder what would make the leadership of the Liberal Party attractive at this time? As The Line Editors have noted, the 2015 version of government is not fit for purpose today. What is needed is a reboot back to fiscal responsibility, “deliveroligy” that executes, wholesale cleansing of DEI in government operations and formulation of a military and foreign policy strategy that restores credibility with our allies.
Mr. Carney is a money man, accustomed to corporate environments and reaping the financial benefits of his expertise. Why he would leave those comforts to take on what could become a humiliating election defeat and rebuilding of the Liberal Party isn’t apparent. It certainly doesn’t seem to be a turnkey ascendancy to power to me.
Carney isn't stupid I don't think. Other than ego why would he want to be PM?
My guess he would be eviscerated at the polls like Ignatieff. PP would cut him to shreds in the cut and thrust of hardball politics.
i think Catherine Tait won the cage match......the two PC members who kept dog whistling the $ 1.4 billion comment were obviously aiming for the “gotcha” moment and you two have managed to help them along. it’s time that’s we stopped supporting these dramatic bar fights and start expecting our politicians to be reasonable adults . if the Conservative Party is actually believing the polls that suggest they will be the next governing body then they need to start acting like they know how to govern and stop trying to score points.
Another thought provoking podcast. I would like to raise three points. With respect to the protests and their professionalism, I have lately been wondering why lawmakers have not addressed the targeting of Jewish places of worship, businesses, community organizations, schools and neighbourhoods. We have laws that establish safe zones outside of women’s reproductive health facilities, a good thing, why not have safe zones outside of identifiable ethnic or religious place of worship, etc.? On the CBC, the contempt Ms Tait showed for the committee was palpable. In terms of the CBC’s editorial choices, as far as I can tell (I listen to the morning CBC radio broadcast and look at the news app), the CBC has not been covering the ArriveCan and GC Strategy stories. The committee hearings have been riveting and this is an important story. Happy to be corrected, but between one thing and another they are certainly making themselves vulnerable to the charge that their coverage is overtly political.
Go Melissa Lantzman!!
Go for Taits’ jugular.
To stay with the 'C' words - Catherine Tait is playing checkers while the Conservatives are playing chess. I don't think the Conservatives are very good chess players, but sadly, they don't need to be good when others are playing a different game.
I think the 'Transatlantic Accent' is what Jen was reaching for. Very fitting for a caricature of this group of technocrats
I am so sorry that I signed up to listen to The Line.
What I am hearing sounds like evesdropping on a conversation on a party line ( ha ha what is that?).
How about sitting at a bar or a restaurant where it is impossible to ignore a conversation within ear shot.
I was hoping for a reasonably coherent and intellegent discussion about the state of affairs in our country but that's not here.
"shat the bed" - succinct and correct.
Thank you for this.
Like you, I thought the op-ed calling for the Liberals to return to fiscal conservatism was interesting. I'm not sure, though, whether the denizen's of this generation of the Liberal Party of Canada are the sort who would favour--or even understand the need for--fiscal conservatism.
WRT Mark Carney, yes, I would support such a candidacy, but would Canadians vote for Mark Carney over Pierre Poilievre? The man is nearly 20 years older (and I hardly think that younger Canadians are immune to the "Boomer Hate" that has swept through the United States).
On the carbon tax, I'm very disappointed that the one thing that Trudeau's government got right on the fiscal side (not to mention the environmental side) has now been turned into political fodder. We need to get our country on track to lower GHG emissions. Abolishing the tax will put us on the wrong track.